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Flight crew of an embraer EMB120 switched to ramp control while holding on taxiway for ramp spot to vacate resulting in loss of contact with tower ground controller.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 474030 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200005 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cvg.airport |
| State Reference | KY |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 119 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 89 flight time total : 3400 flight time type : 170 |
| ASRS Report | 474030 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : taxiway non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were wbound on taxiway J with a clearance to 'taxi to the ramp.' as I approached holding point xg, I noticed an aircraft on holding point xf. I was to enter at holding point xf. Therefore, I stopped on taxiway J abeam holding point X6. We then called the ramp tower who controls spot xf. I was instructed to enter xf as soon as the other aircraft cleared out of the spot. I did exactly that. Once parked, ramp tower asked me to call them on the phone. I did and was told that the FAA felt I had created an 'unsafe situation' by switching to ramp tower too soon. I disagree. My clearance was all the way to the ramp. I did not exceed a clearance limit and, in fact, called the controling entity (ramp control) for clarification for entering the ramp.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN EMBRAER EMB120 SWITCHED TO RAMP CTL WHILE HOLDING ON TXWY FOR RAMP SPOT TO VACATE RESULTING IN LOSS OF CONTACT WITH TWR GND CTLR.
Narrative: WE WERE WBOUND ON TXWY J WITH A CLRNC TO 'TAXI TO THE RAMP.' AS I APCHED HOLDING POINT XG, I NOTICED AN ACFT ON HOLDING POINT XF. I WAS TO ENTER AT HOLDING POINT XF. THEREFORE, I STOPPED ON TXWY J ABEAM HOLDING POINT X6. WE THEN CALLED THE RAMP TWR WHO CTLS SPOT XF. I WAS INSTRUCTED TO ENTER XF AS SOON AS THE OTHER ACFT CLRED OUT OF THE SPOT. I DID EXACTLY THAT. ONCE PARKED, RAMP TWR ASKED ME TO CALL THEM ON THE PHONE. I DID AND WAS TOLD THAT THE FAA FELT I HAD CREATED AN 'UNSAFE SIT' BY SWITCHING TO RAMP TWR TOO SOON. I DISAGREE. MY CLRNC WAS ALL THE WAY TO THE RAMP. I DID NOT EXCEED A CLRNC LIMIT AND, IN FACT, CALLED THE CTLING ENTITY (RAMP CTL) FOR CLARIFICATION FOR ENTERING THE RAMP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.