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Attributes | |
ACN | 474719 |
Time | |
Date | 200006 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : mad.vor |
State Reference | CT |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10200 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw.artcc tower : jxn.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : deerparic |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 474714 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During descent on dpk 2 arrival into bdl, while descending through approximately 10200 ft on our way to 10000 ft, ZBW inquired about our altitude. We advised we were through 10200 ft going to 10000 ft. Center advised assigned altitude was 11000 ft, and that we should climb back to 11000 ft and switch to bdl approach. There was no aircraft conflict. The first officer and I are still unsure how this happened. The aircraft was on autoplt. The altitude alerter was set for 10000 ft. We both believed we were cleared to 10000 ft. Altitude awareness procedures were not an issue. To my knowledge this crew was flawless in this aspect during the whole trip. My first officer is as good as they get in our company's point and verify altitude procedure. Possibilities: 1) the clearance to descend was given in conjunction with local altimeter setting of 30.11. Perhaps the center controller meant to say 11000 ft (one, one thousand) altimeter 30.11 (three, zero, one, one) but actually said 10000 ft (one, zero thousand). We will never know without pulling the tapes. 2) the clearance to descend was given as '11000 ft' (one, one thousand) 'altimeter 30.11' (three, zero, one, one) and both the first officer and I misunderstood and read back 10000 ft (one, zero thousand) while setting 10000 ft in the altitude alerter. Also, the controller did not catch the error. 3) the clearance to descend was given as '11000 ft, altimeter 30.11.' it was read back correctly, but set incorrectly in the altitude alerter and both the first officer and I pointed to 10000 ft yet said '11000 ft.' we will never (probably) know which of the above happened, however, a few observations: 1) the published 'expect' altitude is 11000 ft. If the assigned altitude was not 11000 ft we could have questioned this. 2) extra care should be taken with 10000 ft (one, zero) and 11000 ft (one, one) clrncs as they have a higher tendency to be issued, heard, read back and set incorrectly.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DSNDING B737-200 FLC OVERSHOOTS THEIR ASSIGNED ALT OF 11000 FT, GOING TO 10000 FT, 5 NM SW OF MAD, CT.
Narrative: DURING DSCNT ON DPK 2 ARR INTO BDL, WHILE DSNDING THROUGH APPROX 10200 FT ON OUR WAY TO 10000 FT, ZBW INQUIRED ABOUT OUR ALT. WE ADVISED WE WERE THROUGH 10200 FT GOING TO 10000 FT. CTR ADVISED ASSIGNED ALT WAS 11000 FT, AND THAT WE SHOULD CLB BACK TO 11000 FT AND SWITCH TO BDL APCH. THERE WAS NO ACFT CONFLICT. THE FO AND I ARE STILL UNSURE HOW THIS HAPPENED. THE ACFT WAS ON AUTOPLT. THE ALT ALERTER WAS SET FOR 10000 FT. WE BOTH BELIEVED WE WERE CLRED TO 10000 FT. ALT AWARENESS PROCS WERE NOT AN ISSUE. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THIS CREW WAS FLAWLESS IN THIS ASPECT DURING THE WHOLE TRIP. MY FO IS AS GOOD AS THEY GET IN OUR COMPANY'S POINT AND VERIFY ALT PROC. POSSIBILITIES: 1) THE CLRNC TO DSND WAS GIVEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH LCL ALTIMETER SETTING OF 30.11. PERHAPS THE CTR CTLR MEANT TO SAY 11000 FT (ONE, ONE THOUSAND) ALTIMETER 30.11 (THREE, ZERO, ONE, ONE) BUT ACTUALLY SAID 10000 FT (ONE, ZERO THOUSAND). WE WILL NEVER KNOW WITHOUT PULLING THE TAPES. 2) THE CLRNC TO DSND WAS GIVEN AS '11000 FT' (ONE, ONE THOUSAND) 'ALTIMETER 30.11' (THREE, ZERO, ONE, ONE) AND BOTH THE FO AND I MISUNDERSTOOD AND READ BACK 10000 FT (ONE, ZERO THOUSAND) WHILE SETTING 10000 FT IN THE ALT ALERTER. ALSO, THE CTLR DID NOT CATCH THE ERROR. 3) THE CLRNC TO DSND WAS GIVEN AS '11000 FT, ALTIMETER 30.11.' IT WAS READ BACK CORRECTLY, BUT SET INCORRECTLY IN THE ALT ALERTER AND BOTH THE FO AND I POINTED TO 10000 FT YET SAID '11000 FT.' WE WILL NEVER (PROBABLY) KNOW WHICH OF THE ABOVE HAPPENED, HOWEVER, A FEW OBSERVATIONS: 1) THE PUBLISHED 'EXPECT' ALT IS 11000 FT. IF THE ASSIGNED ALT WAS NOT 11000 FT WE COULD HAVE QUESTIONED THIS. 2) EXTRA CARE SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH 10000 FT (ONE, ZERO) AND 11000 FT (ONE, ONE) CLRNCS AS THEY HAVE A HIGHER TENDENCY TO BE ISSUED, HEARD, READ BACK AND SET INCORRECTLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.