37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 475360 |
Time | |
Date | 200006 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 475360 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cleared for a visual approach following an A320 to runway 12R at msp. Approach control cleared us for a visual approach and also to contact tower on 5 mi final. We realized upon touchdown that we hadn't contacted tower for a landing clearance. No traffic conflicts resulted and we were monitoring approach control frequency during the approach and landing until we realized our error and changed to tower. We attribute this error partially to different procedures used by different approach controllers. Controller a will have you contact tower (ie, switch now) and controller B will have you call tower at the marker and controller C will tell you to contact tower on a 5 mi final (as ours did) when we were 13 mi out. These different procedures are used at the same airport. Also contributing to this was starting our day at XA30 am. I think it would be wise to standardize ATC procedures such as when to contact tower for landing, and in the event of no contact, approach should contact the airplane in question, and remind them to contact tower. The airline cockpit is a busy place on final approach, (ie, changes of confign, following preceding aircraft, running landing checklists, flying instrument approach procedures, etc), it would be nice to have approach as a backup.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC9 CREW LANDED AT MSP WITHOUT LNDG CLRNC.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH FOLLOWING AN A320 TO RWY 12R AT MSP. APCH CTL CLRED US FOR A VISUAL APCH AND ALSO TO CONTACT TWR ON 5 MI FINAL. WE REALIZED UPON TOUCHDOWN THAT WE HADN'T CONTACTED TWR FOR A LNDG CLRNC. NO TFC CONFLICTS RESULTED AND WE WERE MONITORING APCH CTL FREQ DURING THE APCH AND LNDG UNTIL WE REALIZED OUR ERROR AND CHANGED TO TWR. WE ATTRIBUTE THIS ERROR PARTIALLY TO DIFFERENT PROCS USED BY DIFFERENT APCH CTLRS. CTLR A WILL HAVE YOU CONTACT TWR (IE, SWITCH NOW) AND CTLR B WILL HAVE YOU CALL TWR AT THE MARKER AND CTLR C WILL TELL YOU TO CONTACT TWR ON A 5 MI FINAL (AS OURS DID) WHEN WE WERE 13 MI OUT. THESE DIFFERENT PROCS ARE USED AT THE SAME ARPT. ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THIS WAS STARTING OUR DAY AT XA30 AM. I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO STANDARDIZE ATC PROCS SUCH AS WHEN TO CONTACT TWR FOR LNDG, AND IN THE EVENT OF NO CONTACT, APCH SHOULD CONTACT THE AIRPLANE IN QUESTION, AND REMIND THEM TO CONTACT TWR. THE AIRLINE COCKPIT IS A BUSY PLACE ON FINAL APCH, (IE, CHANGES OF CONFIGN, FOLLOWING PRECEDING ACFT, RUNNING LNDG CHKLISTS, FLYING INST APCH PROCS, ETC), IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE APCH AS A BACKUP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.