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Attributes | |
ACN | 475764 |
Time | |
Date | 200006 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 475764 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : wx radar other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : declared emergency |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
Thunderstorms blanketed the entire area during the time of the incident. After a 3+ hour delay, I departed dfw on runway 17R with the standard clearance, runway heading to 10000 ft and expect vectors. At about 5000 ft, I was told to turn left to 070 degrees and climb to 17000 ft. I was speaking to departure control on 118.55 at the time. I replied that the heading did not look very good because of WX and that I would turn toward the east and take a look. He told me someone else had gone through there and it was not that bad. He then repeated the 070 degree heading. On reaching 090 degrees, I stopped the turn and told him I could not go any further and that I was turning back to 100 degrees. He became very agitated and said that I could not do that and then instructed me to turn even further into the WX in question on a heading of 030 degrees. I told him that I will not fly into that WX and would declare an emergency to avoid it if I had to. He said 030 degrees was my clearance and angrily asked if I was declaring an emergency. I said 'yes.' he then said 'fly present heading, climb to 11000 ft and call ZFW.' they asked the nature of the emergency. I said it was to avoid hazardous WX. He said 'fly present heading and climb to 17000 ft.' after about 2 mins, I said I could turn to the north. Center cleared me to ortro on the dallas 5. I then terminated the emergency. In closing, I find it very disturbing for a controller to have such a bullying attitude. If the guys flying the aircraft do not think something is safe, it would be nice to get a little help instead of a condescending attitude and conflict.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN S80 PIC REFUSES TO TAKE THE VECTOR GIVEN BY DEP CTLR WHEN THE FLT ENCOUNTERS TSTM ACTIVITY ON ITS PROJECTED TRACK NE OF DFW, TX.
Narrative: TSTMS BLANKETED THE ENTIRE AREA DURING THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT. AFTER A 3+ HR DELAY, I DEPARTED DFW ON RWY 17R WITH THE STANDARD CLRNC, RWY HDG TO 10000 FT AND EXPECT VECTORS. AT ABOUT 5000 FT, I WAS TOLD TO TURN L TO 070 DEGS AND CLB TO 17000 FT. I WAS SPEAKING TO DEP CTL ON 118.55 AT THE TIME. I REPLIED THAT THE HDG DID NOT LOOK VERY GOOD BECAUSE OF WX AND THAT I WOULD TURN TOWARD THE E AND TAKE A LOOK. HE TOLD ME SOMEONE ELSE HAD GONE THROUGH THERE AND IT WAS NOT THAT BAD. HE THEN REPEATED THE 070 DEG HDG. ON REACHING 090 DEGS, I STOPPED THE TURN AND TOLD HIM I COULD NOT GO ANY FURTHER AND THAT I WAS TURNING BACK TO 100 DEGS. HE BECAME VERY AGITATED AND SAID THAT I COULD NOT DO THAT AND THEN INSTRUCTED ME TO TURN EVEN FURTHER INTO THE WX IN QUESTION ON A HDG OF 030 DEGS. I TOLD HIM THAT I WILL NOT FLY INTO THAT WX AND WOULD DECLARE AN EMER TO AVOID IT IF I HAD TO. HE SAID 030 DEGS WAS MY CLRNC AND ANGRILY ASKED IF I WAS DECLARING AN EMER. I SAID 'YES.' HE THEN SAID 'FLY PRESENT HDG, CLB TO 11000 FT AND CALL ZFW.' THEY ASKED THE NATURE OF THE EMER. I SAID IT WAS TO AVOID HAZARDOUS WX. HE SAID 'FLY PRESENT HDG AND CLB TO 17000 FT.' AFTER ABOUT 2 MINS, I SAID I COULD TURN TO THE N. CTR CLRED ME TO ORTRO ON THE DALLAS 5. I THEN TERMINATED THE EMER. IN CLOSING, I FIND IT VERY DISTURBING FOR A CTLR TO HAVE SUCH A BULLYING ATTITUDE. IF THE GUYS FLYING THE ACFT DO NOT THINK SOMETHING IS SAFE, IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET A LITTLE HELP INSTEAD OF A CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE AND CONFLICT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.