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A B737 complains that a B757 has passed him on visual approach to san francisco contrary to published procedure.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 477170 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200006 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1800 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach other arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 477170 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| ASRS Report | 477169 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance ATC Facility |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
On FMS bridge visual to runway 28R, a B737 was on high right base above us. We passed under him when he was still heading 90 degrees to final. As he passed overhead, he was going very slow, gear down and very high above the GS. He then made his tight right turn to final behind us, out of our sight. On tower frequency, he made a comment accusing us of passing him on final, which is contrary to the visual rules at sfo. I called tower and approach later and both said they saw no problems. In fact, if I had passed him on final, tower is required to send us around. We did not pass him, as he rolled out on final behind us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737 COMPLAINS THAT A B757 HAS PASSED HIM ON VISUAL APCH TO SAN FRANCISCO CONTRARY TO PUBLISHED PROC.
Narrative: ON FMS BRIDGE VISUAL TO RWY 28R, A B737 WAS ON HIGH R BASE ABOVE US. WE PASSED UNDER HIM WHEN HE WAS STILL HEADING 90 DEGS TO FINAL. AS HE PASSED OVERHEAD, HE WAS GOING VERY SLOW, GEAR DOWN AND VERY HIGH ABOVE THE GS. HE THEN MADE HIS TIGHT R TURN TO FINAL BEHIND US, OUT OF OUR SIGHT. ON TWR FREQ, HE MADE A COMMENT ACCUSING US OF PASSING HIM ON FINAL, WHICH IS CONTRARY TO THE VISUAL RULES AT SFO. I CALLED TWR AND APCH LATER AND BOTH SAID THEY SAW NO PROBS. IN FACT, IF I HAD PASSED HIM ON FINAL, TWR IS REQUIRED TO SEND US AROUND. WE DID NOT PASS HIM, AS HE ROLLED OUT ON FINAL BEHIND US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.