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Attributes | |
ACN | 477534 |
Time | |
Date | 200006 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mco.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : mco.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 477534 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 15 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Operating as air carrier X flight mco to dtw on jun/xa/00, we were late departing due to late inbound flight. Contacted mco ground, told to taxi to runway 18L via taxiway C1, taxiway east, taxiway B. On taxiway B, proceeding northbound, I noticed an air carrier Y B767 taxiing on taxiway J, which meets taxiway B at a 45 degree angle. The air carrier Y airplane appeared to not be slowing down, as it was not moving forward or aft in my window, just getting bigger! I felt that us slowing down or stopping would not help the situation, as our position on the taxiway was directly in front of the B767, and was about to run over us! So I grabbed the microphone and said 'air carrier Y stop!' he did. Controller then questioned who had just given this command. I told ground it had been us and that it appeared air carrier Y B767 was about to hit us. Ground then told air carrier Y to follow us to runway. A few indignant remarks followed on frequency -- I am assuming from the air carrier Y cockpit. Discussion in our cockpit confirmed we had not been given any hold short instructions. I remember some chatter on ground frequency associated with an air carrier Y flight, but do not remember any specific instructions for any flight to hold short and give way to us. Contributing factor: air carrier X, 'a' model B727's do not have a taxi light! It is my feeling (as were the rest of our crew) that the air carrier Y captain did not see us, as our standard procedure at night is to taxi 'dark' with only position lights and rotating beacon on, not a safe situation, don't know how air carrier X has gotten away with it for so long, almost resulted in 'twisted metal!' rest of flight proceeded without incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FO OF A B727 ORDERED THE FLC OF A B757 TO STOP TAXIING DUE TO MEETING ON CONVERGING TXWYS AT NIGHT AND THE FLC OF THE B757 NOT SLOWING AT THE TXWY INTXN.
Narrative: OPERATING AS ACR X FLT MCO TO DTW ON JUN/XA/00, WE WERE LATE DEPARTING DUE TO LATE INBOUND FLT. CONTACTED MCO GND, TOLD TO TAXI TO RWY 18L VIA TXWY C1, TXWY E, TXWY B. ON TXWY B, PROCEEDING NBOUND, I NOTICED AN ACR Y B767 TAXIING ON TXWY J, WHICH MEETS TXWY B AT A 45 DEG ANGLE. THE ACR Y AIRPLANE APPEARED TO NOT BE SLOWING DOWN, AS IT WAS NOT MOVING FORWARD OR AFT IN MY WINDOW, JUST GETTING BIGGER! I FELT THAT US SLOWING DOWN OR STOPPING WOULD NOT HELP THE SIT, AS OUR POS ON THE TXWY WAS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE B767, AND WAS ABOUT TO RUN OVER US! SO I GRABBED THE MIKE AND SAID 'ACR Y STOP!' HE DID. CTLR THEN QUESTIONED WHO HAD JUST GIVEN THIS COMMAND. I TOLD GND IT HAD BEEN US AND THAT IT APPEARED ACR Y B767 WAS ABOUT TO HIT US. GND THEN TOLD ACR Y TO FOLLOW US TO RWY. A FEW INDIGNANT REMARKS FOLLOWED ON FREQ -- I AM ASSUMING FROM THE ACR Y COCKPIT. DISCUSSION IN OUR COCKPIT CONFIRMED WE HAD NOT BEEN GIVEN ANY HOLD SHORT INSTRUCTIONS. I REMEMBER SOME CHATTER ON GND FREQ ASSOCIATED WITH AN ACR Y FLT, BUT DO NOT REMEMBER ANY SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS FOR ANY FLT TO HOLD SHORT AND GIVE WAY TO US. CONTRIBUTING FACTOR: ACR X, 'A' MODEL B727'S DO NOT HAVE A TAXI LIGHT! IT IS MY FEELING (AS WERE THE REST OF OUR CREW) THAT THE ACR Y CAPT DID NOT SEE US, AS OUR STANDARD PROC AT NIGHT IS TO TAXI 'DARK' WITH ONLY POS LIGHTS AND ROTATING BEACON ON, NOT A SAFE SIT, DON'T KNOW HOW ACR X HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT FOR SO LONG, ALMOST RESULTED IN 'TWISTED METAL!' REST OF FLT PROCEEDED WITHOUT INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.