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Attributes | |
ACN | 478337 |
Time | |
Date | 200007 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 8800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : msp8 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : m98.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 478337 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : separated traffic flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
As we climbed through 3500 ft on msp 8 departure, ATC departure controller gave us 'left 360 degree turn, climb and maintain 17000 ft.' I responded 'left to 360 degrees, climb and maintain one seven thousand -- 17000 ft.' my first officer concurred with altitude clearance as is our SOP. At 8800 ft, msp said 'air carrier X immediate right turn 120 degrees, stop climb at 7000 ft!' as this transmission was spoken, our TCASII gave an RA of 'climb, crossing, climb.' I advised ATC we were responding to our TCASII RA. We observed the saab 340 cross our nose descending out of the overcast. Our altitude, approximately 1/4 - 1/2 mi in range. Twice, during this time (first was at RA announce) ATC gave us turns. I was unable due to primary response to a full scale climb request from our TCASII RA and an amber second aircraft coming into conflict at 1 O'clock position. ATC advised controller error in phone conversation next day.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF AN AIRBUS A320 TOOK EVASIVE ACTION DURING SID IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA AFTER ATC HAD GIVEN A HDG CHANGE TO AVOID DSNDING TFC. A SAAB 340 WAS OBSERVED DSNDING PASSED THE NOSE OF THE ACFT OUT OF THE OVCST.
Narrative: AS WE CLBED THROUGH 3500 FT ON MSP 8 DEP, ATC DEP CTLR GAVE US 'L 360 DEG TURN, CLB AND MAINTAIN 17000 FT.' I RESPONDED 'L TO 360 DEGS, CLB AND MAINTAIN ONE SEVEN THOUSAND -- 17000 FT.' MY FO CONCURRED WITH ALT CLRNC AS IS OUR SOP. AT 8800 FT, MSP SAID 'ACR X IMMEDIATE R TURN 120 DEGS, STOP CLB AT 7000 FT!' AS THIS XMISSION WAS SPOKEN, OUR TCASII GAVE AN RA OF 'CLB, XING, CLB.' I ADVISED ATC WE WERE RESPONDING TO OUR TCASII RA. WE OBSERVED THE SAAB 340 CROSS OUR NOSE DSNDING OUT OF THE OVCST. OUR ALT, APPROX 1/4 - 1/2 MI IN RANGE. TWICE, DURING THIS TIME (FIRST WAS AT RA ANNOUNCE) ATC GAVE US TURNS. I WAS UNABLE DUE TO PRIMARY RESPONSE TO A FULL SCALE CLB REQUEST FROM OUR TCASII RA AND AN AMBER SECOND ACFT COMING INTO CONFLICT AT 1 O'CLOCK POS. ATC ADVISED CTLR ERROR IN PHONE CONVERSATION NEXT DAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.