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Attributes | |
ACN | 479553 |
Time | |
Date | 200007 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cle.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cle.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 295 |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 16500 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 479553 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Aircraft were landing runway 5R and departing runway 5L, so departures were having to cross runway 5R to taxi on runway 5L for takeoff. The 2 runways are very close together. The hold short line for runway 5L is barely off the edge of runway 5R and vice versa. With traffic on approximately 3 mi final for runway 5R, we were 'cleared to cross runway 5R and hold short of runway 5L.' another aircraft was in position and about to take off on runway 5L. As we hustled across runway 5R expecting to be able to taxi clear, we encountered the hold short line for runway 5L just past the edge of runway 5R. As I wasn't expecting this, I went past the hold short line for runway 5L by several ft, but almost all of my plane was still extending onto runway 5R, the runway with a plane on relatively short final. As confusion came quickly, self-preservation made me taxi closer to runway 5L, as I tried to clear runway 5R. At the same time, we received our clearance to 'taxi into position' on runway 5L and we did so. This was a very unsafe situation, and a clearance, that after the fact, we were unable to comply with. We could either cross runway 5R or hold short of runway 5L, but not both. The correct clearance, although still unsafe with landing traffic less than a 3 mi final, was taxi onto runway 5R, hold short of runway 5L. A clearance to cross a runway, is to cross it so your tail does not extend behind the hold short line after crossing. Clearly, this could not be done without simultaneously crossing the hold short line with my nose for runway 5L. This procedure needs to be addressed, as this is setting up someone for a violation, a go around, or a near-miss, or all 3 at the same time, possibly an accident waiting to happen.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A FOKKER 100 TAXIED OVER RWY HOLD SHORT LINE ON CLE ARPT IN ORDER TO ATTEMPT CLRING THE PARALLEL RWY BEHIND HIS ACFT ON WHICH A B737 WAS ON SHORT FINAL.
Narrative: ACFT WERE LNDG RWY 5R AND DEPARTING RWY 5L, SO DEPS WERE HAVING TO CROSS RWY 5R TO TAXI ON RWY 5L FOR TKOF. THE 2 RWYS ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER. THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 5L IS BARELY OFF THE EDGE OF RWY 5R AND VICE VERSA. WITH TFC ON APPROX 3 MI FINAL FOR RWY 5R, WE WERE 'CLRED TO CROSS RWY 5R AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 5L.' ANOTHER ACFT WAS IN POS AND ABOUT TO TAKE OFF ON RWY 5L. AS WE HUSTLED ACROSS RWY 5R EXPECTING TO BE ABLE TO TAXI CLR, WE ENCOUNTERED THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 5L JUST PAST THE EDGE OF RWY 5R. AS I WASN'T EXPECTING THIS, I WENT PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 5L BY SEVERAL FT, BUT ALMOST ALL OF MY PLANE WAS STILL EXTENDING ONTO RWY 5R, THE RWY WITH A PLANE ON RELATIVELY SHORT FINAL. AS CONFUSION CAME QUICKLY, SELF-PRESERVATION MADE ME TAXI CLOSER TO RWY 5L, AS I TRIED TO CLR RWY 5R. AT THE SAME TIME, WE RECEIVED OUR CLRNC TO 'TAXI INTO POS' ON RWY 5L AND WE DID SO. THIS WAS A VERY UNSAFE SIT, AND A CLRNC, THAT AFTER THE FACT, WE WERE UNABLE TO COMPLY WITH. WE COULD EITHER CROSS RWY 5R OR HOLD SHORT OF RWY 5L, BUT NOT BOTH. THE CORRECT CLRNC, ALTHOUGH STILL UNSAFE WITH LNDG TFC LESS THAN A 3 MI FINAL, WAS TAXI ONTO RWY 5R, HOLD SHORT OF RWY 5L. A CLRNC TO CROSS A RWY, IS TO CROSS IT SO YOUR TAIL DOES NOT EXTEND BEHIND THE HOLD SHORT LINE AFTER XING. CLRLY, THIS COULD NOT BE DONE WITHOUT SIMULTANEOUSLY XING THE HOLD SHORT LINE WITH MY NOSE FOR RWY 5L. THIS PROC NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, AS THIS IS SETTING UP SOMEONE FOR A VIOLATION, A GAR, OR A NEAR-MISS, OR ALL 3 AT THE SAME TIME, POSSIBLY AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.