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Attributes | |
ACN | 479661 |
Time | |
Date | 200007 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : srq.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 5500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : tpa.tracon tower : srq.tower tower : dfw.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : srq.1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14200 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 479661 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 479660 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllerb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During a long day of thunderstorms, WX rertes and ground delays, we were about 20 mins away from our third update for our flight from srq to mco. I had left the first officer and when I came back on he advised me that he had gotten a clearance and the ground stop had been lifted. We boarded our passenger as quickly as possible in an attempt to get underway before mco decided to stop inbounds again. The first officer briefed the takeoff, our clearance, and the SID. The SRQ1 SID calls for an altitude of 3000 ft, but said clearance had given us 11000 ft. When tower handed us off to tpa departure, I switched frequency and made the initial call (departure air carrier XXX out of 1500 ft for 11000 ft). Tpa didn't respond and the radio was silent. I made another callout of approximately 2200 ft -- still silence. I looked at the clearance and SID to verify the frequency. While doing this, tpa departure called us to see if we were with him. I answered that we were and were out of 5500 ft for 11000 ft. The controller replied 'you can level at 6000 ft, the clearance was to 3000 ft.' I confirmed 6000 ft and said clearance had given us 11000 ft. The controller said something about pulling the tapes if we wanted. I asked if there was going to be a problem, and the controller responded no, but commented that we were argumentative. I don't believe we were, but maybe it appeared that way to him. In any case, we should have confirmed with srq's ATC that the initial altitude we thought was correct since it differed from the SID.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CLRNC COPIED INCORRECTLY, INTERPED WRONG, OR NOT COORDINATED, LEADS TO AN ALT OVERSHOOT NEAR SRQ. FOLLOWED BY HARSH WORDS BTWN CTLR AND PLT WHO HAVE BEEN UNDER THE PRESSURE OF WX DELAYS FOR HRS.
Narrative: DURING A LONG DAY OF TSTMS, WX RERTES AND GND DELAYS, WE WERE ABOUT 20 MINS AWAY FROM OUR THIRD UPDATE FOR OUR FLT FROM SRQ TO MCO. I HAD LEFT THE FO AND WHEN I CAME BACK ON HE ADVISED ME THAT HE HAD GOTTEN A CLRNC AND THE GND STOP HAD BEEN LIFTED. WE BOARDED OUR PAX AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET UNDERWAY BEFORE MCO DECIDED TO STOP INBOUNDS AGAIN. THE FO BRIEFED THE TKOF, OUR CLRNC, AND THE SID. THE SRQ1 SID CALLS FOR AN ALT OF 3000 FT, BUT SAID CLRNC HAD GIVEN US 11000 FT. WHEN TWR HANDED US OFF TO TPA DEP, I SWITCHED FREQ AND MADE THE INITIAL CALL (DEP ACR XXX OUT OF 1500 FT FOR 11000 FT). TPA DIDN'T RESPOND AND THE RADIO WAS SILENT. I MADE ANOTHER CALLOUT OF APPROX 2200 FT -- STILL SILENCE. I LOOKED AT THE CLRNC AND SID TO VERIFY THE FREQ. WHILE DOING THIS, TPA DEP CALLED US TO SEE IF WE WERE WITH HIM. I ANSWERED THAT WE WERE AND WERE OUT OF 5500 FT FOR 11000 FT. THE CTLR REPLIED 'YOU CAN LEVEL AT 6000 FT, THE CLRNC WAS TO 3000 FT.' I CONFIRMED 6000 FT AND SAID CLRNC HAD GIVEN US 11000 FT. THE CTLR SAID SOMETHING ABOUT PULLING THE TAPES IF WE WANTED. I ASKED IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE A PROB, AND THE CTLR RESPONDED NO, BUT COMMENTED THAT WE WERE ARGUMENTATIVE. I DON'T BELIEVE WE WERE, BUT MAYBE IT APPEARED THAT WAY TO HIM. IN ANY CASE, WE SHOULD HAVE CONFIRMED WITH SRQ'S ATC THAT THE INITIAL ALT WE THOUGHT WAS CORRECT SINCE IT DIFFERED FROM THE SID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.