37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 480920 |
Time | |
Date | 200007 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : hunda |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : profile descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 480920 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : military pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllerb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Trip leg was being flown by new hire first officer. We were cleared on the paradise descent. First officer confused about FMGS computer system, and accidentally deleted our profile routing and restrs from the screens. I intervened and had to take control of the FMGC and load the arrival data in the database due to first officer 'overload.' we were cleared for ILS runway 25L at lax, informed first officer that I would program FMGC (navigation computers) and he could continue to fly. I gave him control of aircraft crossing over fuelr intersection, with instructions to remain above GS as a guide. I stated '...if you stay above the GS, you will not bust any crossing restrs, use the GS as a guide...' I then went to contact company on radio for gate and other information. When I returned 'in the loop' we were crossing over hunda intersection. ATC (socal approach) asked our altitude. I stated 3000 ft and controller stated that crossing restr at hunda is 3500 ft. I noticed that we were well below the GS. I subsequently (at the gate) discussed event with first officer and stated company policy of 'high workload' duties (ie, PNF loading data in FMGC). First officer is a new hire, ex-military fighter pilot and said he is '...used to doing things by myself...' in the future, I will question and monitor more closely the new hire pilot's experiences with profile descent and other demanding procedures. I can't take extensive military experience for skills in an airline environment, and it is my responsibility to ensure all procedures are followed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: XING RESTR NOT MET OVER HUNDA INTXN ON ILS TO LAX, CA.
Narrative: TRIP LEG WAS BEING FLOWN BY NEW HIRE FO. WE WERE CLRED ON THE PARADISE DSCNT. FO CONFUSED ABOUT FMGS COMPUTER SYS, AND ACCIDENTALLY DELETED OUR PROFILE ROUTING AND RESTRS FROM THE SCREENS. I INTERVENED AND HAD TO TAKE CTL OF THE FMGC AND LOAD THE ARR DATA IN THE DATABASE DUE TO FO 'OVERLOAD.' WE WERE CLRED FOR ILS RWY 25L AT LAX, INFORMED FO THAT I WOULD PROGRAM FMGC (NAV COMPUTERS) AND HE COULD CONTINUE TO FLY. I GAVE HIM CTL OF ACFT XING OVER FUELR INTXN, WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO REMAIN ABOVE GS AS A GUIDE. I STATED '...IF YOU STAY ABOVE THE GS, YOU WILL NOT BUST ANY XING RESTRS, USE THE GS AS A GUIDE...' I THEN WENT TO CONTACT COMPANY ON RADIO FOR GATE AND OTHER INFO. WHEN I RETURNED 'IN THE LOOP' WE WERE XING OVER HUNDA INTXN. ATC (SOCAL APCH) ASKED OUR ALT. I STATED 3000 FT AND CTLR STATED THAT XING RESTR AT HUNDA IS 3500 FT. I NOTICED THAT WE WERE WELL BELOW THE GS. I SUBSEQUENTLY (AT THE GATE) DISCUSSED EVENT WITH FO AND STATED COMPANY POLICY OF 'HIGH WORKLOAD' DUTIES (IE, PNF LOADING DATA IN FMGC). FO IS A NEW HIRE, EX-MIL FIGHTER PLT AND SAID HE IS '...USED TO DOING THINGS BY MYSELF...' IN THE FUTURE, I WILL QUESTION AND MONITOR MORE CLOSELY THE NEW HIRE PLT'S EXPERIENCES WITH PROFILE DSCNT AND OTHER DEMANDING PROCS. I CAN'T TAKE EXTENSIVE MIL EXPERIENCE FOR SKILLS IN AN AIRLINE ENVIRONMENT, AND IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE ALL PROCS ARE FOLLOWED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.