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Flight crew of a B757 questioned the legality of departure control request to increase airspeed above 250 KTS below 10000 ft MSL during a departure climb from lax.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 481319 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200008 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
| Route In Use | departure : other published ifr departure |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 481319 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : air speed indicate other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : unable other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Climbing out of lax, we were switched to a second socal departure frequency, I believe 132.32 or 132.45. Controller told us we were #1 over seal beach VOR. He said increase speed to 300 KTS as soon as possible. I repeated out of 10000 ft we will increase to 300 KTS, but we may have a problem then with the 14000 ft restr over sli. Controller said we were beyond the 3 mi limit and to increase now. He also said something else about keeping us out over the water and don't worry about the restr. We did not feel comfortable with this clearance, as I did not think ATC could assign a speed greater than 250 KTS below 10000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A B757 QUESTIONED THE LEGALITY OF DEP CTL REQUEST TO INCREASE AIRSPD ABOVE 250 KTS BELOW 10000 FT MSL DURING A DEP CLB FROM LAX.
Narrative: CLBING OUT OF LAX, WE WERE SWITCHED TO A SECOND SOCAL DEP FREQ, I BELIEVE 132.32 OR 132.45. CTLR TOLD US WE WERE #1 OVER SEAL BEACH VOR. HE SAID INCREASE SPD TO 300 KTS ASAP. I REPEATED OUT OF 10000 FT WE WILL INCREASE TO 300 KTS, BUT WE MAY HAVE A PROB THEN WITH THE 14000 FT RESTR OVER SLI. CTLR SAID WE WERE BEYOND THE 3 MI LIMIT AND TO INCREASE NOW. HE ALSO SAID SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT KEEPING US OUT OVER THE WATER AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE RESTR. WE DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS CLRNC, AS I DID NOT THINK ATC COULD ASSIGN A SPD GREATER THAN 250 KTS BELOW 10000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.