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Attributes | |
ACN | 483820 |
Time | |
Date | 200009 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : lga.vor |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 12800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : ito.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 5045 flight time type : 2075 |
ASRS Report | 483820 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 483821 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Departed lga runway 31 and vectored through a 270 degree right turn during climb. We were on a 230 degree heading and level at 12000 ft when new york departure gave us 'fly heading 250 degrees, climb to 16000 ft.' passing about 12700 ft, they said 'maintain 12000 ft.' we acknowledged and began descent to 12000 ft. The captain and I were certain we had heard 16000 ft and mentioned that to the controller. He did not disagree and simply told us to maintain 12000 ft. Supplemental information from acn 483821: I mentioned to the controller that we had heard and acknowledged 16000 ft. He said just to maintain 12000 ft. Both the first officer and myself were certain of the clearance to 16000 ft and were exercising extra diligence since the controller's xmissions were weak at the beginning of every transmission.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR FLC DEPARTING LGA IN AN MD88 RPTS CONFLICTING CLB INSTRUCTIONS FROM ATC.
Narrative: DEPARTED LGA RWY 31 AND VECTORED THROUGH A 270 DEG R TURN DURING CLB. WE WERE ON A 230 DEG HDG AND LEVEL AT 12000 FT WHEN NEW YORK DEP GAVE US 'FLY HDG 250 DEGS, CLB TO 16000 FT.' PASSING ABOUT 12700 FT, THEY SAID 'MAINTAIN 12000 FT.' WE ACKNOWLEDGED AND BEGAN DSCNT TO 12000 FT. THE CAPT AND I WERE CERTAIN WE HAD HEARD 16000 FT AND MENTIONED THAT TO THE CTLR. HE DID NOT DISAGREE AND SIMPLY TOLD US TO MAINTAIN 12000 FT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 483821: I MENTIONED TO THE CTLR THAT WE HAD HEARD AND ACKNOWLEDGED 16000 FT. HE SAID JUST TO MAINTAIN 12000 FT. BOTH THE FO AND MYSELF WERE CERTAIN OF THE CLRNC TO 16000 FT AND WERE EXERCISING EXTRA DILIGENCE SINCE THE CTLR'S XMISSIONS WERE WEAK AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY XMISSION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.