An air taxi flight crew flying a LJ35 near ign fails to meet an altitude crossing restr as instructe...

Attributes
ACN	485730
Time
Date	200009
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
State Reference	NY
Altitude	msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 11000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zny.artcc
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Learjet 35
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	descent : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 6800 flight time type : 4200
ASRS Report	485730
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	486104
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : provided flight assist controller : issued new clearance controller : separated traffic flight crew : became reoriented none taken : anomaly accepted
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

I was the PF and we were given a crossing restr that I understood as 10 mi southwest of ign VOR at 7000 ft. After the PNF read back the clearance, I repeated to him 7 mi southwest of ign at 7000 ft, and he corrected me from 7 NM to 10 NM. When we were approximately 20 NM northwest of ign the ATC controller asked if we were going to make the restr and we said yes. At 10 NM northwest of ign the PNF commented on we just blew the crossing restr and the ATC controller gave us a turn to 090 degrees, so I realized something was wrong and extended spoilers to get to 7000 ft from approximately 11000 ft. I asked the copilot about the restr, and he told me the restr was 10 NM northwest of ign at 7000 ft and I asked him why he didn't question me when it was questionable about me making the restr and he said he was waiting for me to 'pull a rabbit out of the hat' because he thought I knew what I was doing. I told the copilot, anytime he thinks I might be in question to him, to speak up next time. Better CRM is definitely a major factor in the situation.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN AIR TAXI FLC FLYING A LJ35 NEAR IGN FAILS TO MEET AN ALT XING RESTR AS INSTRUCTED BY ATC.

Narrative: I WAS THE PF AND WE WERE GIVEN A XING RESTR THAT I UNDERSTOOD AS 10 MI SW OF IGN VOR AT 7000 FT. AFTER THE PNF READ BACK THE CLRNC, I REPEATED TO HIM 7 MI SW OF IGN AT 7000 FT, AND HE CORRECTED ME FROM 7 NM TO 10 NM. WHEN WE WERE APPROX 20 NM NW OF IGN THE ATC CTLR ASKED IF WE WERE GOING TO MAKE THE RESTR AND WE SAID YES. AT 10 NM NW OF IGN THE PNF COMMENTED ON WE JUST BLEW THE XING RESTR AND THE ATC CTLR GAVE US A TURN TO 090 DEGS, SO I REALIZED SOMETHING WAS WRONG AND EXTENDED SPOILERS TO GET TO 7000 FT FROM APPROX 11000 FT. I ASKED THE COPLT ABOUT THE RESTR, AND HE TOLD ME THE RESTR WAS 10 NM NW OF IGN AT 7000 FT AND I ASKED HIM WHY HE DIDN'T QUESTION ME WHEN IT WAS QUESTIONABLE ABOUT ME MAKING THE RESTR AND HE SAID HE WAS WAITING FOR ME TO 'PULL A RABBIT OUT OF THE HAT' BECAUSE HE THOUGHT I KNEW WHAT I WAS DOING. I TOLD THE COPLT, ANYTIME HE THINKS I MIGHT BE IN QUESTION TO HIM, TO SPEAK UP NEXT TIME. BETTER CRM IS DEFINITELY A MAJOR FACTOR IN THE SIT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

An air taxi flight crew flying a LJ35 near ign fails to meet an altitude crossing restr as instructed by ATC.