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Attributes | |
ACN | 486070 |
Time | |
Date | 200008 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : abq.vortac |
State Reference | NM |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 15 flight time total : 3700 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 486070 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter : turbulence inflight encounter other non adherence : company policies non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued alert |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were descending into abq as we were picking our way between thunderstorms. The captain was getting the abq arrival ATIS and trying to determine if we were too heavy to land. Needed flaps 15 degrees, or flaps 30 degrees. I was listening to the radios and flying when I thought we were cleared to 14000 ft MSL. I began my descent as the captain came back over. At 14700 ft MSL, center asked what we were doing and if we needed lower. When we asked her what she meant, she said we had not been cleared out of 16000 ft, but we could have lower if we needed it. Factors: 1) the WX and the landing performance problem (B737-200 landing at a high pressure altitude) were major distrs. If the captain had not been working on the data, he probably would have caught my mistake. 2) I believe I took someone else's clearance. I should have confirmed the lower altitude. Fixes: when landing at an airport where bad WX or when unusual circumstances exist (ie, performance problem), get terminal WX early and complete computations and preparations before descent from cruise. This will allow both pilots to listen on the radio to catch mistakes during high volume, busy and stressful arrs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-200 CREW HAD ALT OVERSHOOT IN ZAB CLASS E AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WE WERE DSNDING INTO ABQ AS WE WERE PICKING OUR WAY BTWN TSTMS. THE CAPT WAS GETTING THE ABQ ARR ATIS AND TRYING TO DETERMINE IF WE WERE TOO HVY TO LAND. NEEDED FLAPS 15 DEGS, OR FLAPS 30 DEGS. I WAS LISTENING TO THE RADIOS AND FLYING WHEN I THOUGHT WE WERE CLRED TO 14000 FT MSL. I BEGAN MY DSCNT AS THE CAPT CAME BACK OVER. AT 14700 FT MSL, CTR ASKED WHAT WE WERE DOING AND IF WE NEEDED LOWER. WHEN WE ASKED HER WHAT SHE MEANT, SHE SAID WE HAD NOT BEEN CLRED OUT OF 16000 FT, BUT WE COULD HAVE LOWER IF WE NEEDED IT. FACTORS: 1) THE WX AND THE LNDG PERFORMANCE PROB (B737-200 LNDG AT A HIGH PRESSURE ALT) WERE MAJOR DISTRS. IF THE CAPT HAD NOT BEEN WORKING ON THE DATA, HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE CAUGHT MY MISTAKE. 2) I BELIEVE I TOOK SOMEONE ELSE'S CLRNC. I SHOULD HAVE CONFIRMED THE LOWER ALT. FIXES: WHEN LNDG AT AN ARPT WHERE BAD WX OR WHEN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST (IE, PERFORMANCE PROB), GET TERMINAL WX EARLY AND COMPLETE COMPUTATIONS AND PREPARATIONS BEFORE DSCNT FROM CRUISE. THIS WILL ALLOW BOTH PLTS TO LISTEN ON THE RADIO TO CATCH MISTAKES DURING HIGH VOLUME, BUSY AND STRESSFUL ARRS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.