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A lear 35 flight crew crosses the active runway at center field while taxiing towards the departure end at teb, nj.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 486178 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200009 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : teb.tower tower : ord.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : charter |
| Make Model Name | Learjet 35 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : charter |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 486178 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : charter |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : teb.tower |
| Airport | procedure or policy : teb.airport |
Narrative:
We requested a taxi clearance. We were told to taxi to runway 24, for departure. When we got to the departure end of the runway the controller asked us if we have a min. We said yes. Controller informed us that we should have held short on taxiway left. Controller said that it was not a big deal because 70% of the people do the same thing. The far/aim is very clear about a clearance to taxi to a runway. It does not give you authority/authorized to cross the assigned runway, although we did look to make sure it was 'clear.' after reviewing the regulations we realized that we were in error. I cannot think of another place where I have had to cross the 'active' to get to the end of it for departure without being told to 'hold short of runway 24 at taxiway left.' I suggest that the tower controllers verbally request a readback with a hold to help reduce the possibility of a future incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A LEAR 35 FLC CROSSES THE ACTIVE RWY AT CTR FIELD WHILE TAXIING TOWARDS THE DEP END AT TEB, NJ.
Narrative: WE REQUESTED A TAXI CLRNC. WE WERE TOLD TO TAXI TO RWY 24, FOR DEP. WHEN WE GOT TO THE DEP END OF THE RWY THE CTLR ASKED US IF WE HAVE A MIN. WE SAID YES. CTLR INFORMED US THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HELD SHORT ON TXWY L. CTLR SAID THAT IT WAS NOT A BIG DEAL BECAUSE 70% OF THE PEOPLE DO THE SAME THING. THE FAR/AIM IS VERY CLR ABOUT A CLRNC TO TAXI TO A RWY. IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU AUTH TO CROSS THE ASSIGNED RWY, ALTHOUGH WE DID LOOK TO MAKE SURE IT WAS 'CLR.' AFTER REVIEWING THE REGS WE REALIZED THAT WE WERE IN ERROR. I CANNOT THINK OF ANOTHER PLACE WHERE I HAVE HAD TO CROSS THE 'ACTIVE' TO GET TO THE END OF IT FOR DEP WITHOUT BEING TOLD TO 'HOLD SHORT OF RWY 24 AT TXWY L.' I SUGGEST THAT THE TWR CTLRS VERBALLY REQUEST A READBACK WITH A HOLD TO HELP REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF A FUTURE INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.