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Attributes | |
ACN | 488874 |
Time | |
Date | 200010 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 120 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 2400 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 488874 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA ATC Facility |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | communication equipment : sct.tracon |
Narrative:
Flying IFR in VFR conditions from elp to vny, the WX at vny was 2000 ft overcast at +/- 4000 ft tops. So cal approach handed me off to so cal southeast of burbank and we were directed on heading 020 degree at 6000 ft. About whiteman airport , no more directions from ATC were heard. One other aircraft was having a difficult time talking to ATC and I heard no ATC response. Since we were VFR above the tops and the action area was VFR, I noticed we were approaching the north mountains north of our normal vectoring to the van nuys localizer. I informed ATC that I was executing a left turn to join the localizer. No response. After the third time I then heard a scratchy, then a good transmission from so cal. They had been trying to reach me 5 times to no avail. I consistently heard other aircraft. Either there is a dead zone where we cannot receive so cal (120.4) or their transmitter failed. Had we been IMC and a pilot not checking our location, we would have bored into the mountains. The controller sounded slightly shaken when he was finally able to transmit to me. I have noticed on the lynxx arrival that 120.4 does not get to us until we are very near the localizer.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C210 PLT HAD AN ATC COM FAILURE WITH ATC WHILE BEING VECTORED TOWARD HIGH TERRAIN IN SCT CLASS B.
Narrative: FLYING IFR IN VFR CONDITIONS FROM ELP TO VNY, THE WX AT VNY WAS 2000 FT OVCST AT +/- 4000 FT TOPS. SO CAL APCH HANDED ME OFF TO SO CAL SE OF BURBANK AND WE WERE DIRECTED ON HDG 020 DEG AT 6000 FT. ABOUT WHITEMAN ARPT , NO MORE DIRECTIONS FROM ATC WERE HEARD. ONE OTHER ACFT WAS HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME TALKING TO ATC AND I HEARD NO ATC RESPONSE. SINCE WE WERE VFR ABOVE THE TOPS AND THE ACTION AREA WAS VFR, I NOTICED WE WERE APCHING THE N MOUNTAINS N OF OUR NORMAL VECTORING TO THE VAN NUYS LOC. I INFORMED ATC THAT I WAS EXECUTING A L TURN TO JOIN THE LOC. NO RESPONSE. AFTER THE THIRD TIME I THEN HEARD A SCRATCHY, THEN A GOOD XMISSION FROM SO CAL. THEY HAD BEEN TRYING TO REACH ME 5 TIMES TO NO AVAIL. I CONSISTENTLY HEARD OTHER ACFT. EITHER THERE IS A DEAD ZONE WHERE WE CANNOT RECEIVE SO CAL (120.4) OR THEIR TRANSMITTER FAILED. HAD WE BEEN IMC AND A PLT NOT CHKING OUR LOCATION, WE WOULD HAVE BORED INTO THE MOUNTAINS. THE CTLR SOUNDED SLIGHTLY SHAKEN WHEN HE WAS FINALLY ABLE TO XMIT TO ME. I HAVE NOTICED ON THE LYNXX ARR THAT 120.4 DOES NOT GET TO US UNTIL WE ARE VERY NEAR THE LOC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.