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Attributes | |
ACN | 489928 |
Time | |
Date | 200010 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
State Reference | NM |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 40700 msl bound upper : 41000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Ice Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : j8.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 12100 flight time type : 950 |
ASRS Report | 489928 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
We had just climbed to FL410 in the area of abq. FMS said we were ok to FL414. We were level and stabilized at FL410 and .80 mach. We then entered some clouds and began to experience some light chop. The airspeed was fluctuating a little but not badly. Then I noticed that the airspeed began to drop off but the autothrottle was not advancing the power. I then pushed the throttles up manually and the autothrottle retarded them. I could not understand why, so I selected altitude hold and continued on thrust management computer and then pushed throttles up again. Airspeed was about .745 mach by now, so I told first officer to request lower and I began a slow descent. ATC said stand by of course. He told them we were having trouble maintaining airspeed and needed lower. I had descended to about FL407 by the time we were cleared to FL370. The controller did not mention the altitude deviation (no traffic conflict). After disconnecting the autothrottle, we turned wing and engine anti-ice on. The sat was -56 degrees C, so anti-ice was not on. I then reconnected autothrottle after a short while and autothrottle worked fine after that. After control was re-established, we did notice that there was a little ice on the wiper blades. I do not know if icing was our problem. Our pom states that anti-ice should be used except when sat is below -40 degrees C. If icing did cause this throttle problem and loss of airspeed, then our pom should be changed. From now on, I will always use anti-ice below 10 degrees C.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 CREW UNABLE TO MAINTAIN ALT BECAUSE OF ICING, BEGINS DSCNT BEFORE COORD WITH ATC CAN BE COMPLETED.
Narrative: WE HAD JUST CLBED TO FL410 IN THE AREA OF ABQ. FMS SAID WE WERE OK TO FL414. WE WERE LEVEL AND STABILIZED AT FL410 AND .80 MACH. WE THEN ENTERED SOME CLOUDS AND BEGAN TO EXPERIENCE SOME LIGHT CHOP. THE AIRSPD WAS FLUCTUATING A LITTLE BUT NOT BADLY. THEN I NOTICED THAT THE AIRSPD BEGAN TO DROP OFF BUT THE AUTOTHROTTLE WAS NOT ADVANCING THE PWR. I THEN PUSHED THE THROTTLES UP MANUALLY AND THE AUTOTHROTTLE RETARDED THEM. I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHY, SO I SELECTED ALT HOLD AND CONTINUED ON THRUST MGMNT COMPUTER AND THEN PUSHED THROTTLES UP AGAIN. AIRSPD WAS ABOUT .745 MACH BY NOW, SO I TOLD FO TO REQUEST LOWER AND I BEGAN A SLOW DSCNT. ATC SAID STAND BY OF COURSE. HE TOLD THEM WE WERE HAVING TROUBLE MAINTAINING AIRSPD AND NEEDED LOWER. I HAD DSNDED TO ABOUT FL407 BY THE TIME WE WERE CLRED TO FL370. THE CTLR DID NOT MENTION THE ALTDEV (NO TFC CONFLICT). AFTER DISCONNECTING THE AUTOTHROTTLE, WE TURNED WING AND ENG ANTI-ICE ON. THE SAT WAS -56 DEGS C, SO ANTI-ICE WAS NOT ON. I THEN RECONNECTED AUTOTHROTTLE AFTER A SHORT WHILE AND AUTOTHROTTLE WORKED FINE AFTER THAT. AFTER CTL WAS RE-ESTABLISHED, WE DID NOTICE THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE ICE ON THE WIPER BLADES. I DO NOT KNOW IF ICING WAS OUR PROB. OUR POM STATES THAT ANTI-ICE SHOULD BE USED EXCEPT WHEN SAT IS BELOW -40 DEGS C. IF ICING DID CAUSE THIS THROTTLE PROB AND LOSS OF AIRSPD, THEN OUR POM SHOULD BE CHANGED. FROM NOW ON, I WILL ALWAYS USE ANTI-ICE BELOW 10 DEGS C.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.