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Instructor pilot, with instrument student on an IFR cross country training flight, was advised by ATC that they were 5 mi off course. They were subsequently advised that they were showing 450 ft over assigned altitude.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 490880 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200010 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : ict.vortac |
| State Reference | KS |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : v12.airway |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 35 flight time total : 385 flight time type : 385 |
| ASRS Report | 490880 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : nav vor other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to assigned altitude flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Aircraft |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During an IFR cross country flight, we were advised by our controller we were 5 NM off centerline of our victor airway, despite our CDI on our #2 navigation showing us as directly on course. Center advised us of the deviation and we changed to our #1 navigation without further course deviation. Later in the flight, at an assigned altitude of 4000 ft MSL, we were attempting to determine the exact error in our #2 navigation. During this time, our attention was diverted and were advised by center that we were some 450 ft above our assigned altitude. Out altimeter showed a 250 ft deviation. We obtained the local altimeter setting from center, corrected our altitude deviation, aborted our attempts to analyze our #2 navigation error and completed the flight without further incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR PLT, WITH INST STUDENT ON AN IFR XCOUNTRY TRAINING FLT, WAS ADVISED BY ATC THAT THEY WERE 5 MI OFF COURSE. THEY WERE SUBSEQUENTLY ADVISED THAT THEY WERE SHOWING 450 FT OVER ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: DURING AN IFR XCOUNTRY FLT, WE WERE ADVISED BY OUR CTLR WE WERE 5 NM OFF CTRLINE OF OUR VICTOR AIRWAY, DESPITE OUR CDI ON OUR #2 NAV SHOWING US AS DIRECTLY ON COURSE. CTR ADVISED US OF THE DEV AND WE CHANGED TO OUR #1 NAV WITHOUT FURTHER COURSE DEV. LATER IN THE FLT, AT AN ASSIGNED ALT OF 4000 FT MSL, WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO DETERMINE THE EXACT ERROR IN OUR #2 NAV. DURING THIS TIME, OUR ATTN WAS DIVERTED AND WERE ADVISED BY CTR THAT WE WERE SOME 450 FT ABOVE OUR ASSIGNED ALT. OUT ALTIMETER SHOWED A 250 FT DEV. WE OBTAINED THE LCL ALTIMETER SETTING FROM CTR, CORRECTED OUR ALTDEV, ABORTED OUR ATTEMPTS TO ANALYZE OUR #2 NAV ERROR AND COMPLETED THE FLT WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.