Flight crew of a fokker 100 received PIREP of severe icing conditions from their dispatcher after ta...

Attributes
ACN	497187
Time
Date	200101
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : cle.airport
State Reference	OH
Altitude	msl single value : 2000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Weather Elements	Snow Ice
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : cle.tracon tracon : boi.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Fokker 100
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	climbout : vacating altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 165 flight time total : 7330 flight time type : 769
ASRS Report	497187
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : company policies other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Weather ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Weather

Narrative:

After becoming airborne, on departure, we were notified that the icing conditions were 'severe' for takeoff. This was relayed to us via company ACARS message and based on a B737 PIREP. This should have been relayed to us prior to takeoff and the cleveland airport system should have also had some sort of level of reporting on conditions. As we remember, ATIS was reporting 'light' rime which is quite different from severe. I guess a standardized reporting method and notification system to pilots is needed. Are PIREPS/ATIS/WX observations sufficient? Maybe, maybe not. The icing conditions on the evening in question were anything but 'light.' we don't and can't operate in 'severe' conditions and only need more timely notification than after takeoff. We have discussed this with our dispatcher. They are working it and will attempt to get it to pilots faster with more accuracy.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC OF A FOKKER 100 RECEIVED PIREP OF SEVERE ICING CONDITIONS FROM THEIR DISPATCHER AFTER TKOF.

Narrative: AFTER BECOMING AIRBORNE, ON DEP, WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT THE ICING CONDITIONS WERE 'SEVERE' FOR TKOF. THIS WAS RELAYED TO US VIA COMPANY ACARS MESSAGE AND BASED ON A B737 PIREP. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN RELAYED TO US PRIOR TO TKOF AND THE CLEVELAND ARPT SYS SHOULD HAVE ALSO HAD SOME SORT OF LEVEL OF RPTING ON CONDITIONS. AS WE REMEMBER, ATIS WAS RPTING 'LIGHT' RIME WHICH IS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM SEVERE. I GUESS A STANDARDIZED RPTING METHOD AND NOTIFICATION SYS TO PLTS IS NEEDED. ARE PIREPS/ATIS/WX OBSERVATIONS SUFFICIENT? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. THE ICING CONDITIONS ON THE EVENING IN QUESTION WERE ANYTHING BUT 'LIGHT.' WE DON'T AND CAN'T OPERATE IN 'SEVERE' CONDITIONS AND ONLY NEED MORE TIMELY NOTIFICATION THAN AFTER TKOF. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH OUR DISPATCHER. THEY ARE WORKING IT AND WILL ATTEMPT TO GET IT TO PLTS FASTER WITH MORE ACCURACY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Flight crew of a fokker 100 received PIREP of severe icing conditions from their dispatcher after takeoff.