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Attributes | |
ACN | 500958 |
Time | |
Date | 200102 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : czqx.artcc |
State Reference | NF |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 31000 msl bound upper : 39000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence other |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : czqx.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute : atlantic enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : czqx.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute : atlantic enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 22000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 500958 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 500364 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : declared emergency other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : czqx.artcc |
Narrative:
During cruise at FL390 on nat track 'east', while flying from manchester, uk to philadelphia, I received a SIGMET forecasting moderate to severe turbulence. The area was on my route of flight and ranged from FL310 to FL390. A phone patch with my company dispatcher confirmed that a company flight preceding us had actually experienced severe turbulence at our flight level in the SIGMET area on the same track. We called gander radio and requested a lower altitude. After 29 mins and numerous radio calls, gander advised that they were unable to give a lower altitude because of a preceding air carrier (Y) 777 estimated to be 10 min ahead. We confirmed with the air carrier (Y) flight that they were estimating the next reporting point exactly 10 min prior to us. We had visual contact with the air carrier (Y) and they were at FL380. We informed gander radio of these facts and that we had adequate separation. Gander radio still refused to grant a lower altitude. Numerous contacts with air carrier (Y) aircraft established that they were in continuous moderate and 'approaching severe' turbulence. Gander radio was informed of this fact by us and we again requested a descent. The response was the same. I told gander that it was unacceptable. The response was that 'we have our rules.' I replied that I wanted gander to confirm that we were being required to fly into an area of severe turbulence as confirmed by pilot reports. Gander replied that the only way we could descend was to declare an emergency. In my judgment, remaining at FL390 would have placed my aircraft and passengers in unavoidable jeopardy. Therefore, in compliance with my company flight operations manual and far's. I exercised my emergency authority, declared an emergency, and descended to FL310 in accordance with appropriate procedures. All the while air carrier (Y) was in sight. Upon reaching FL310 we were cleared back on course and continued uneventfully to phl. Supplemental information from acn 500364: an emergency was declared and a turn of 90 degree to parallel track was made. Descent was made to fl 310 after clearing track structure. Broadcast was made on 121.5 and 123.45 as per far's for no atlantic rvsm area. Gander was advised. Descent was uneventful and after leveling at FL310, clearance was received to return to normal track structure and to maintain FL310. Remainder of flight was normal and uneventful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767-200 CREW WAS REQUIRED TO DECLARE AN EMER IN ORDER TO AVOID RPTED SEVERE TURB IN CZQX OCEANIC.
Narrative: DURING CRUISE AT FL390 ON NAT TRACK 'E', WHILE FLYING FROM MANCHESTER, UK TO PHILADELPHIA, I RECEIVED A SIGMET FORECASTING MODERATE TO SEVERE TURBULENCE. THE AREA WAS ON MY RTE OF FLT AND RANGED FROM FL310 TO FL390. A PHONE PATCH WITH MY COMPANY DISPATCHER CONFIRMED THAT A COMPANY FLT PRECEDING US HAD ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED SEVERE TURBULENCE AT OUR FLT LEVEL IN THE SIGMET AREA ON THE SAME TRACK. WE CALLED GANDER RADIO AND REQUESTED A LOWER ALTITUDE. AFTER 29 MINS AND NUMEROUS RADIO CALLS, GANDER ADVISED THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO GIVE A LOWER ALTITUDE BECAUSE OF A PRECEDING ACR (Y) 777 ESTIMATED TO BE 10 MIN AHEAD. WE CONFIRMED WITH THE ACR (Y) FLT THAT THEY WERE ESTIMATING THE NEXT RPTING POINT EXACTLY 10 MIN PRIOR TO US. WE HAD VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE ACR (Y) AND THEY WERE AT FL380. WE INFORMED GANDER RADIO OF THESE FACTS AND THAT WE HAD ADEQUATE SEPARATION. GANDER RADIO STILL REFUSED TO GRANT A LOWER ALTITUDE. NUMEROUS CONTACTS WITH ACR (Y) ACFT ESTABLISHED THAT THEY WERE IN CONTINUOUS MODERATE AND 'APCHING SEVERE' TURBULENCE. GANDER RADIO WAS INFORMED OF THIS FACT BY US AND WE AGAIN REQUESTED A DSCNT. THE RESPONSE WAS THE SAME. I TOLD GANDER THAT IT WAS UNACCEPTABLE. THE RESPONSE WAS THAT 'WE HAVE OUR RULES.' I REPLIED THAT I WANTED GANDER TO CONFIRM THAT WE WERE BEING REQUIRED TO FLY INTO AN AREA OF SEVERE TURBULENCE AS CONFIRMED BY PLT RPTS. GANDER REPLIED THAT THE ONLY WAY WE COULD DSND WAS TO DECLARE AN EMER. IN MY JUDGMENT, REMAINING AT FL390 WOULD HAVE PLACED MY ACFT AND PAXS IN UNAVOIDABLE JEOPARDY. THEREFORE, IN COMPLIANCE WITH MY COMPANY FLT OPS MANUAL AND FAR'S. I EXERCISED MY EMER AUTHORITY, DECLARED AN EMER, AND DSNDED TO FL310 IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPROPRIATE PROCS. ALL THE WHILE ACR (Y) WAS IN SIGHT. UPON REACHING FL310 WE WERE CLRED BACK ON COURSE AND CONTINUED UNEVENTFULLY TO PHL. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 500364: AN EMER WAS DECLARED AND A TURN OF 90 DEG TO PARALLEL TRACK WAS MADE. DSCNT WAS MADE TO FL 310 AFTER CLRING TRACK STRUCTURE. BROADCAST WAS MADE ON 121.5 AND 123.45 AS PER FAR'S FOR NO ATLANTIC RVSM AREA. GANDER WAS ADVISED. DSCNT WAS UNEVENTFUL AND AFTER LEVELING AT FL310, CLRNC WAS RECEIVED TO RETURN TO NORMAL TRACK STRUCTURE AND TO MAINTAIN FL310. REMAINDER OF FLT WAS NORMAL AND UNEVENTFUL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.