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Attributes | |
ACN | 503632 |
Time | |
Date | 200103 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
ASRS Report | 503632 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : ord.tower |
Narrative:
I am first officer/PF on visual approach, 3 mi behind company MD80 for runway 27R ord. On landing rollout, captain had not even made the 100 KT callout when tower local controller started giving us taxi instructions to clear the runway. He had opposite direction traffic on taxiway H, holding short of taxiway C, and he wanted to have us make high speed, left on to taxiway H, taxiway P, taxiway a, to the gate. As we had not reached taxi speed, and as company operating practices very specifically prohibit us from responding to taxi instructions prior to reaching taxi speed, we did, in a much more animated and obviously exasperated tone of voice, repeat the clearance. By this time we had reached approximately 60 KTS and decided to respond even though frankly we should have slowed even further. The controller's attitude is out of line considering ATP 7110.65 (ATC manual) very specifically prohibits the controller from contacting a landing aircraft until the aircraft has reached taxi speed. But the problem is that this is ord and the rules apparently are different here. I personally do not feel comfortable or safe responding to ATC instructions on rollout prior to taxi speed, and I especially do not feel comfortable nor will I violate the provisions of company operations for ATC or anyone. But ATC at ord needs to be brought up to speed reference company procedures and they very specifically need to be reminded of the provisions of 7110.65.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: S80 FO CONCERNED WITH ORD TWR CTLR INSTRUCTIONS WHEN ACFT WAS ABOVE 100 KTS ON LNDG ROLL.
Narrative: I AM FO/PF ON VISUAL APCH, 3 MI BEHIND COMPANY MD80 FOR RWY 27R ORD. ON LNDG ROLLOUT, CAPT HAD NOT EVEN MADE THE 100 KT CALLOUT WHEN TWR LCL CTLR STARTED GIVING US TAXI INSTRUCTIONS TO CLR THE RWY. HE HAD OPPOSITE DIRECTION TFC ON TXWY H, HOLDING SHORT OF TXWY C, AND HE WANTED TO HAVE US MAKE HIGH SPD, L ON TO TXWY H, TXWY P, TXWY A, TO THE GATE. AS WE HAD NOT REACHED TAXI SPD, AND AS COMPANY OPERATING PRACTICES VERY SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT US FROM RESPONDING TO TAXI INSTRUCTIONS PRIOR TO REACHING TAXI SPD, WE DID, IN A MUCH MORE ANIMATED AND OBVIOUSLY EXASPERATED TONE OF VOICE, REPEAT THE CLRNC. BY THIS TIME WE HAD REACHED APPROX 60 KTS AND DECIDED TO RESPOND EVEN THOUGH FRANKLY WE SHOULD HAVE SLOWED EVEN FURTHER. THE CTLR'S ATTITUDE IS OUT OF LINE CONSIDERING ATP 7110.65 (ATC MANUAL) VERY SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS THE CTLR FROM CONTACTING A LNDG ACFT UNTIL THE ACFT HAS REACHED TAXI SPD. BUT THE PROB IS THAT THIS IS ORD AND THE RULES APPARENTLY ARE DIFFERENT HERE. I PERSONALLY DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE OR SAFE RESPONDING TO ATC INSTRUCTIONS ON ROLLOUT PRIOR TO TAXI SPD, AND I ESPECIALLY DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE NOR WILL I VIOLATE THE PROVISIONS OF COMPANY OPS FOR ATC OR ANYONE. BUT ATC AT ORD NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO SPD REF COMPANY PROCS AND THEY VERY SPECIFICALLY NEED TO BE REMINDED OF THE PROVISIONS OF 7110.65.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.