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Attributes | |
ACN | 506608 |
Time | |
Date | 200103 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : sln.vortac |
State Reference | KS |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc.artcc |
Operator | Other |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 45 flight time total : 370 flight time type : 315 |
ASRS Report | 506608 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
My student and I were on an IFR cross country training flight from ojc to sln. Approximately 25 mi east of the sln VOR, ATC advised us that radar contact was lost and to report 2 mi east of the sln VOR. At 7 mi east, ATC informed us that radar contact was re-established and the controller was upset that we had not reported 12 mi east of the VOR. She stated she told us to report 1-2 (one-two) mi east. Both my student and myself understood report 2 mi east. Therefore, we did not report since we had not arrived to that position yet. I would have to listen to a tape of the conversation, but somewhere there was a misunderstanding from which location to make the report.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 INSTRUCTOR AND TRAINEE DID NOT RPT POS WHEN EXPECTED BY ARTCC RADAR CTLR.
Narrative: MY STUDENT AND I WERE ON AN IFR XCOUNTRY TRAINING FLT FROM OJC TO SLN. APPROX 25 MI E OF THE SLN VOR, ATC ADVISED US THAT RADAR CONTACT WAS LOST AND TO RPT 2 MI E OF THE SLN VOR. AT 7 MI E, ATC INFORMED US THAT RADAR CONTACT WAS RE-ESTABLISHED AND THE CTLR WAS UPSET THAT WE HAD NOT RPTED 12 MI E OF THE VOR. SHE STATED SHE TOLD US TO RPT 1-2 (ONE-TWO) MI E. BOTH MY STUDENT AND MYSELF UNDERSTOOD RPT 2 MI E. THEREFORE, WE DID NOT RPT SINCE WE HAD NOT ARRIVED TO THAT POS YET. I WOULD HAVE TO LISTEN TO A TAPE OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT SOMEWHERE THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING FROM WHICH LOCATION TO MAKE THE RPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.