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Attributes | |
ACN | 507150 |
Time | |
Date | 200104 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : lgc.vortac |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 24600 msl bound upper : 25000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : la grange |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 507150 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
North of montgomery, al, we were given direct lgc. We had been on the lagrange arrival, meridian transition to atl. 60 DME west of lgc at FL330, received clearance to descend to FL240, expedite through FL290. Passing FL290, I adjusted rate of descent to 1000 FPM. We were advised to expect a turn in holding at lgc. We were authority/authorized to reduce airspeed. We slowed to 250 KIAS and advised ATC of speed. Passing FL246, ZTL asked us our altitude. Neither pilot had any reason to think anything was wrong. Controller stated that he had issued a stop descent at FL250, but he added that he did not receive our readback. We had FL240 in the altitude window and never heard anything about a leveloff at FL250. No other aircraft were seen visually or on TCASII. I suspect it was for the lgc holding pattern. I expeditiously flew from FL245 back to FL250. I can only guess that the controller may have intended FL250 about the same time we were slowing/advising him of our speed of 250 KIAS. The controller seemed very calm. I, however, did not enjoy the query. I hope to do my part in getting the communications right next time. Between FL180 and FL330, words like 'flight level' and 'KTS' make a big difference, ie, 'maintain 250.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WHEN REVISED CLRNC IS NOT RECEIVED BY THE FLT CREW, THE CTLR QUESTIONS THEIR DSCNT BELOW THE NEWLY ASSIGNED ALT MUCH TO THE DISPLEASURE OF THE CREW.
Narrative: N OF MONTGOMERY, AL, WE WERE GIVEN DIRECT LGC. WE HAD BEEN ON THE LAGRANGE ARR, MERIDIAN TRANSITION TO ATL. 60 DME W OF LGC AT FL330, RECEIVED CLRNC TO DSND TO FL240, EXPEDITE THROUGH FL290. PASSING FL290, I ADJUSTED RATE OF DSCNT TO 1000 FPM. WE WERE ADVISED TO EXPECT A TURN IN HOLDING AT LGC. WE WERE AUTH TO REDUCE AIRSPD. WE SLOWED TO 250 KIAS AND ADVISED ATC OF SPD. PASSING FL246, ZTL ASKED US OUR ALT. NEITHER PLT HAD ANY REASON TO THINK ANYTHING WAS WRONG. CTLR STATED THAT HE HAD ISSUED A STOP DSCNT AT FL250, BUT HE ADDED THAT HE DID NOT RECEIVE OUR READBACK. WE HAD FL240 IN THE ALT WINDOW AND NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT A LEVELOFF AT FL250. NO OTHER ACFT WERE SEEN VISUALLY OR ON TCASII. I SUSPECT IT WAS FOR THE LGC HOLDING PATTERN. I EXPEDITIOUSLY FLEW FROM FL245 BACK TO FL250. I CAN ONLY GUESS THAT THE CTLR MAY HAVE INTENDED FL250 ABOUT THE SAME TIME WE WERE SLOWING/ADVISING HIM OF OUR SPD OF 250 KIAS. THE CTLR SEEMED VERY CALM. I, HOWEVER, DID NOT ENJOY THE QUERY. I HOPE TO DO MY PART IN GETTING THE COMS RIGHT NEXT TIME. BTWN FL180 AND FL330, WORDS LIKE 'FLT LEVEL' AND 'KTS' MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, IE, 'MAINTAIN 250.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.