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Attributes | |
ACN | 727464 |
Time | |
Date | 200702 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure sid : jfk |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 224 flight time total : 6900 flight time type : 4500 |
ASRS Report | 727464 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot inflight encounter : turbulence non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : altitude alert other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On departure from jfk we were assigned the jfk 1 with the cri climb. It was the first officer's leg and he gave me a detailed briefing; pointing out the discussion from ground school about turning east of the 039 degree radial. He set up his radios for the 176 degree radial off cri and I put the 039 degrees and 176 degree radials off cri in the fix page of the FMS for reference. The winds in jfk were 280 degrees at 17 KTS gusting 23 KTS. After takeoff at 400 ft the first officer began the turn towards cri and I began doing the climb checklist. The climb was quite bumpy with moderate turbulence. The first officer was making the turn a little early to avoid overshooting the 039 degree radial; but with the strong wind; we undershot the VOR. As we were heading towards the 176 degree radial; departure asked our heading and questioned why we turned so early. We said that we were in the turn to intercept the 176 degree radial. Departure told us we turned too early and to turn to 060 degrees and climb to 6000 ft. As the first officer was continuing the turn and climb; I was setting the heading bug and altitude selector. ATC was informing us that turning early was as bad as late and that air carrier has had issues with this SID and we should really read the SID before takeoff. During that time; the first officer had asked for heading mode and the autoplt. I thought I had engaged the autoplt; but was distraction by a single chime caution message. The autoplt didn't engage and the aircraft climbed through 6000 ft by about 400 ft. The first officer recaptured the altitude and the autoplt was re-engaged. The controller then gave us a higher altitude and told us not to worry about the undershoot and switched us to another frequency. I believe part of the problem was the emphasis of overshooting the 039 degree radial. The aircraft was light; so we rotated earlier (length wise) than normal; so we were further from cri already and the strong winds also helped keep us away from the 039 degree radial. With the light aircraft we were climbing at over 3000 FPM which makes the leveloff come that much quicker. The altitude problem was a combination of factors. We were already distraction from ATC talking about the problems with the SID. The autoplt didn't engage as planned; the turbulence and also the caution light and single chime became a distraction. I should have paid more attention to the aircraft track during the initial part of the climb and waited on the checklist until we were established.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CRJ200 CREW TURNS EARLY ON THE KENNEDY 1 CANARSIE CLIMB TO THE DISPLEASURE OF AN N90 CONTROLLER.
Narrative: ON DEP FROM JFK WE WERE ASSIGNED THE JFK 1 WITH THE CRI CLB. IT WAS THE FO'S LEG AND HE GAVE ME A DETAILED BRIEFING; POINTING OUT THE DISCUSSION FROM GND SCHOOL ABOUT TURNING E OF THE 039 DEG RADIAL. HE SET UP HIS RADIOS FOR THE 176 DEG RADIAL OFF CRI AND I PUT THE 039 DEGS AND 176 DEG RADIALS OFF CRI IN THE FIX PAGE OF THE FMS FOR REF. THE WINDS IN JFK WERE 280 DEGS AT 17 KTS GUSTING 23 KTS. AFTER TKOF AT 400 FT THE FO BEGAN THE TURN TOWARDS CRI AND I BEGAN DOING THE CLB CHKLIST. THE CLB WAS QUITE BUMPY WITH MODERATE TURB. THE FO WAS MAKING THE TURN A LITTLE EARLY TO AVOID OVERSHOOTING THE 039 DEG RADIAL; BUT WITH THE STRONG WIND; WE UNDERSHOT THE VOR. AS WE WERE HEADING TOWARDS THE 176 DEG RADIAL; DEP ASKED OUR HDG AND QUESTIONED WHY WE TURNED SO EARLY. WE SAID THAT WE WERE IN THE TURN TO INTERCEPT THE 176 DEG RADIAL. DEP TOLD US WE TURNED TOO EARLY AND TO TURN TO 060 DEGS AND CLB TO 6000 FT. AS THE FO WAS CONTINUING THE TURN AND CLB; I WAS SETTING THE HDG BUG AND ALT SELECTOR. ATC WAS INFORMING US THAT TURNING EARLY WAS AS BAD AS LATE AND THAT ACR HAS HAD ISSUES WITH THIS SID AND WE SHOULD REALLY READ THE SID BEFORE TKOF. DURING THAT TIME; THE FO HAD ASKED FOR HDG MODE AND THE AUTOPLT. I THOUGHT I HAD ENGAGED THE AUTOPLT; BUT WAS DISTR BY A SINGLE CHIME CAUTION MESSAGE. THE AUTOPLT DIDN'T ENGAGE AND THE ACFT CLBED THROUGH 6000 FT BY ABOUT 400 FT. THE FO RECAPTURED THE ALT AND THE AUTOPLT WAS RE-ENGAGED. THE CTLR THEN GAVE US A HIGHER ALT AND TOLD US NOT TO WORRY ABOUT THE UNDERSHOOT AND SWITCHED US TO ANOTHER FREQ. I BELIEVE PART OF THE PROB WAS THE EMPHASIS OF OVERSHOOTING THE 039 DEG RADIAL. THE ACFT WAS LIGHT; SO WE ROTATED EARLIER (LENGTH WISE) THAN NORMAL; SO WE WERE FURTHER FROM CRI ALREADY AND THE STRONG WINDS ALSO HELPED KEEP US AWAY FROM THE 039 DEG RADIAL. WITH THE LIGHT ACFT WE WERE CLBING AT OVER 3000 FPM WHICH MAKES THE LEVELOFF COME THAT MUCH QUICKER. THE ALT PROB WAS A COMBINATION OF FACTORS. WE WERE ALREADY DISTR FROM ATC TALKING ABOUT THE PROBS WITH THE SID. THE AUTOPLT DIDN'T ENGAGE AS PLANNED; THE TURB AND ALSO THE CAUTION LIGHT AND SINGLE CHIME BECAME A DISTR. I SHOULD HAVE PAID MORE ATTN TO THE ACFT TRACK DURING THE INITIAL PART OF THE CLB AND WAITED ON THE CHKLIST UNTIL WE WERE ESTABLISHED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.