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Attributes | |
ACN | 510530 |
Time | |
Date | 200105 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 510530 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : company policies non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was the PF and, to be honest, I can't figure out how this happened. We were departing runway with a right turn to 360 degrees. After beginning the turn, cleaning the flaps up and rolling out to a revised heading, the first officer said 'altitude, altitude.' I had passed through 4000 ft (clearance limit) and was passing 4300 ft. I stopped the ascent at 4400 and descended back down to 4000 ft. Controller said nothing. Perhaps there were a few contributing factors. Our company operates a few different variations of the B737. Depending on the schedule, one may not see (in this case) a newer B737 for months. Nevertheless, any given pairing may contain all of the different variations on any day. Each has different characteristics, considerations, EFIS/non-EFIS and degrees of EFIS, panels and switches in different places, etc. I bring this up only because I remember wanting to turn on the radar to take a look ahead and having to reach in different places. I vaguely remember the 'thousand ft' call ('3000 ft 4000'), but the radar, clean-up, amended heading and performance of the aircraft may have been sufficient distrs to bust the altitude. This was also the first flight with a new first officer (different) as he had just joined us on day #3 of a 4 day pairing. I don't admit to liking the possibility of flying different derivatives of a model, the most recent of which we, as a group, don't get to fly often enough to develop a 'feel' for the aircraft. Having said that, I must also say there was no excuse for the bust.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737 CAPT ATTRIBUTED AN ALT BUST WHEN DEPARTING ZZZ TO THE COMPANY'S REQUIREMENT THAT CREWS FLY DIFFERENT SERIES OF THE SAME ACFT WHICH HAVE VARYING FLT DECK LAYOUTS.
Narrative: I WAS THE PF AND, TO BE HONEST, I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW THIS HAPPENED. WE WERE DEPARTING RWY WITH A R TURN TO 360 DEGS. AFTER BEGINNING THE TURN, CLEANING THE FLAPS UP AND ROLLING OUT TO A REVISED HDG, THE FO SAID 'ALT, ALT.' I HAD PASSED THROUGH 4000 FT (CLRNC LIMIT) AND WAS PASSING 4300 FT. I STOPPED THE ASCENT AT 4400 AND DSNDED BACK DOWN TO 4000 FT. CTLR SAID NOTHING. PERHAPS THERE WERE A FEW CONTRIBUTING FACTORS. OUR COMPANY OPERATES A FEW DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THE B737. DEPENDING ON THE SCHEDULE, ONE MAY NOT SEE (IN THIS CASE) A NEWER B737 FOR MONTHS. NEVERTHELESS, ANY GIVEN PAIRING MAY CONTAIN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS ON ANY DAY. EACH HAS DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS, CONSIDERATIONS, EFIS/NON-EFIS AND DEGREES OF EFIS, PANELS AND SWITCHES IN DIFFERENT PLACES, ETC. I BRING THIS UP ONLY BECAUSE I REMEMBER WANTING TO TURN ON THE RADAR TO TAKE A LOOK AHEAD AND HAVING TO REACH IN DIFFERENT PLACES. I VAGUELY REMEMBER THE 'THOUSAND FT' CALL ('3000 FT 4000'), BUT THE RADAR, CLEAN-UP, AMENDED HDG AND PERFORMANCE OF THE ACFT MAY HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT DISTRS TO BUST THE ALT. THIS WAS ALSO THE FIRST FLT WITH A NEW FO (DIFFERENT) AS HE HAD JUST JOINED US ON DAY #3 OF A 4 DAY PAIRING. I DON'T ADMIT TO LIKING THE POSSIBILITY OF FLYING DIFFERENT DERIVATIVES OF A MODEL, THE MOST RECENT OF WHICH WE, AS A GROUP, DON'T GET TO FLY OFTEN ENOUGH TO DEVELOP A 'FEEL' FOR THE ACFT. HAVING SAID THAT, I MUST ALSO SAY THERE WAS NO EXCUSE FOR THE BUST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.