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Attributes | |
ACN | 511005 |
Time | |
Date | 200105 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : czwg.artcc |
State Reference | MB |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 31000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : czwg.artcc tracon : nct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other ndb |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : czwg.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 511005 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 511004 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
While flying at FL310, winnipeg center inquired when we would be able to climb to FL330 and FL350 for traffic purposes. We responded that we preferred to stay at FL310, but could climb to FL330 immediately and climb to FL350 in 2 hours. About 15-20 mins later, winnipeg center cleared us to climb to FL330 for traffic. We acknowledged the clearance and climbed to FL330. About 10 mins later, winnipeg center called and asked us to confirm our altitude. We confirmed that we were level at FL330. The controller said that we were not cleared to FL330 and then reclred us to FL310. In a discussion with the controller, he said that he had cleared an air carrier Y to FL330 on a different frequency. Additionally, winnipeg relayed to us through edmonton center that they pulled the tapes and heard us confirming our clearance to climb to FL330 and told us that the controller was working 2 different frequencys. At the time of the clearance, we had a very light workload without any distrs. Both pilots were wearing headsets and we both are confident that we were cleared to FL330 as for aircraft X. The winnipeg controller assured us that there was at no time a loss of separation or any other traffic conflict. We believe that the contributing factors of the event were winnipeg first asking if we could climb to FL330 and then clearing us (or some other aircraft) to that same altitude for the identical reason stated (due to traffic). Additionally, because the controller was working more than 1 frequency, he was less likely to catch us responding to his clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CZEG ASKS B744 FLC IF THEY CAN ACCEPT A HIGHER ALT. THE FLC ACKNOWLEDGE A CLB CLRNC, BUT ARE CHALLENGED LATER BY CZEG. REVIEW OF TAPES SHOW CZEG CTLR MISSED READBACK BY SIMILAR SOUNDING CALL SIGN.
Narrative: WHILE FLYING AT FL310, WINNIPEG CTR INQUIRED WHEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CLB TO FL330 AND FL350 FOR TFC PURPOSES. WE RESPONDED THAT WE PREFERRED TO STAY AT FL310, BUT COULD CLB TO FL330 IMMEDIATELY AND CLB TO FL350 IN 2 HRS. ABOUT 15-20 MINS LATER, WINNIPEG CTR CLRED US TO CLB TO FL330 FOR TFC. WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE CLRNC AND CLBED TO FL330. ABOUT 10 MINS LATER, WINNIPEG CTR CALLED AND ASKED US TO CONFIRM OUR ALT. WE CONFIRMED THAT WE WERE LEVEL AT FL330. THE CTLR SAID THAT WE WERE NOT CLRED TO FL330 AND THEN RECLRED US TO FL310. IN A DISCUSSION WITH THE CTLR, HE SAID THAT HE HAD CLRED AN ACR Y TO FL330 ON A DIFFERENT FREQ. ADDITIONALLY, WINNIPEG RELAYED TO US THROUGH EDMONTON CTR THAT THEY PULLED THE TAPES AND HEARD US CONFIRMING OUR CLRNC TO CLB TO FL330 AND TOLD US THAT THE CTLR WAS WORKING 2 DIFFERENT FREQS. AT THE TIME OF THE CLRNC, WE HAD A VERY LIGHT WORKLOAD WITHOUT ANY DISTRS. BOTH PLTS WERE WEARING HEADSETS AND WE BOTH ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE WERE CLRED TO FL330 AS FOR ACFT X. THE WINNIPEG CTLR ASSURED US THAT THERE WAS AT NO TIME A LOSS OF SEPARATION OR ANY OTHER TFC CONFLICT. WE BELIEVE THAT THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS OF THE EVENT WERE WINNIPEG FIRST ASKING IF WE COULD CLB TO FL330 AND THEN CLRING US (OR SOME OTHER ACFT) TO THAT SAME ALT FOR THE IDENTICAL REASON STATED (DUE TO TFC). ADDITIONALLY, BECAUSE THE CTLR WAS WORKING MORE THAN 1 FREQ, HE WAS LESS LIKELY TO CATCH US RESPONDING TO HIS CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.