Narrative:

I was taking my student pilot on his second cross country to pou airport, departed frg. While climbing out from frg class D airspace, I asked my student to request a frequency change at about 4500 ft MSL. We contacted new york approach and told them we required VFR advisories to pou. The controller said 'are you aware you are in class B airspace?' I was surprised and apologized to the controller. He pointed out an airbus at 3 O'clock position. During that confusion, I took the aircraft and descended to 3500 ft MSL. The controller asked why we descended from 4500 ft down to 3500 ft. I told him 'to avoid traffic.' the controller gave us a vector to fly, then a few mins later, he put us back on course. From that point on, we had a successful flight. On our way back at 3000 ft MSL, we did not request any advisories. When we had some problems getting into frg, the controller told us to report right downwind for runway 19. So, instead of flying the regular procedure, we started our own downwind leg. That caused a traffic conflict. When we landed, ground had us copy a phone number for new york approach (lga). A phone call was made for an apology to the controller. According to my knowledge, no future actions were taken.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CFI CONDUCTING A STUDENT PLT'S XCOUNTRY VIOLATED LGA'S CLASS B AIRSPACE AND LATER BECAME CONFUSED WITH HOW TO ENTER THE PATTERN AT FRG. AFTER BEING GIVEN A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL ATC, THE RPTR SKIRTED HIS RESPONSIBILITY AND HAD HIS CHIEF PLT CALL TO APOLOGIZE TO THE SUPVR.

Narrative: I WAS TAKING MY STUDENT PLT ON HIS SECOND XCOUNTRY TO POU ARPT, DEPARTED FRG. WHILE CLBING OUT FROM FRG CLASS D AIRSPACE, I ASKED MY STUDENT TO REQUEST A FREQ CHANGE AT ABOUT 4500 FT MSL. WE CONTACTED NEW YORK APCH AND TOLD THEM WE REQUIRED VFR ADVISORIES TO POU. THE CTLR SAID 'ARE YOU AWARE YOU ARE IN CLASS B AIRSPACE?' I WAS SURPRISED AND APOLOGIZED TO THE CTLR. HE POINTED OUT AN AIRBUS AT 3 O'CLOCK POS. DURING THAT CONFUSION, I TOOK THE ACFT AND DSNDED TO 3500 FT MSL. THE CTLR ASKED WHY WE DSNDED FROM 4500 FT DOWN TO 3500 FT. I TOLD HIM 'TO AVOID TFC.' THE CTLR GAVE US A VECTOR TO FLY, THEN A FEW MINS LATER, HE PUT US BACK ON COURSE. FROM THAT POINT ON, WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL FLT. ON OUR WAY BACK AT 3000 FT MSL, WE DID NOT REQUEST ANY ADVISORIES. WHEN WE HAD SOME PROBS GETTING INTO FRG, THE CTLR TOLD US TO RPT R DOWNWIND FOR RWY 19. SO, INSTEAD OF FLYING THE REGULAR PROC, WE STARTED OUR OWN DOWNWIND LEG. THAT CAUSED A TFC CONFLICT. WHEN WE LANDED, GND HAD US COPY A PHONE NUMBER FOR NEW YORK APCH (LGA). A PHONE CALL WAS MADE FOR AN APOLOGY TO THE CTLR. ACCORDING TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO FUTURE ACTIONS WERE TAKEN.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.