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Attributes | |
ACN | 512060 |
Time | |
Date | 200105 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : btv.airport |
State Reference | VT |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : atl.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-400 |
Flight Phase | ground : pushback |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 512060 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : taxiway non adherence : clearance |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Maintenance Human Performance Airport ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Pushing back off of gate at btv, ground control cleared us to push, but not onto taxiway alpha. There was a commuter about to taxi from gate B. I told our pushback crew once, then 2 more times, cleared to push but not onto taxiway alpha. We actually waited for the commuter to taxi away from the area. We then pushed and our crew pushed us partially onto taxiway alpha, even though I had told him not to. Perhaps I could have braked or queried him to stop, but I was thinking the commuter was out of the way, and there would be no problem. There actually was no problem or conflict, but ground control was agitated that we didn't do what he said. He was abrupt with us and our ground crew. It was as if there was a power struggle going on, and I was in the middle. In any event, I allowed it to happen, thinking all was clear but there was a taxiway incursion. There is nothing in our airport manuals about taxiway alpha, but we are to contact ground control for pushback, which we did. Even earlier that morning, we did the same thing and ground control said nothing of taxiway alpha. This was one of those incidents where ground control gave a specific instruction based on an aircraft nearby and then I ignored it because the aircraft was gone, and our pushback crew did not adhere to our instruction either. I could have slammed the brakes. I could have queried the pushback crew a 4TH time. We were in the taxiway before I realized it. Yet, no one else was around. This is a problem because ground control and airline push crews are in control contest of a ramp area and taxiway that is in very close proximity to each other. There is a ramp line designated, yet ground control wants pushback clearance request. I think the whole scenario stinks, yet we are the ones who can get violated. I have notified our company of this situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TXWY INCURSION OCCURS WHEN A B737 PIC ALLOWS THE PUSHBACK TUG DRIVER TO PUSH HIS ACFT INTO TXWY ALPHA IN VIOLATION OF THE CLRNC RENDERED BY THE GND CTLR AT BTV, VT.
Narrative: PUSHING BACK OFF OF GATE AT BTV, GND CTL CLRED US TO PUSH, BUT NOT ONTO TXWY ALPHA. THERE WAS A COMMUTER ABOUT TO TAXI FROM GATE B. I TOLD OUR PUSHBACK CREW ONCE, THEN 2 MORE TIMES, CLRED TO PUSH BUT NOT ONTO TXWY ALPHA. WE ACTUALLY WAITED FOR THE COMMUTER TO TAXI AWAY FROM THE AREA. WE THEN PUSHED AND OUR CREW PUSHED US PARTIALLY ONTO TXWY ALPHA, EVEN THOUGH I HAD TOLD HIM NOT TO. PERHAPS I COULD HAVE BRAKED OR QUERIED HIM TO STOP, BUT I WAS THINKING THE COMMUTER WAS OUT OF THE WAY, AND THERE WOULD BE NO PROB. THERE ACTUALLY WAS NO PROB OR CONFLICT, BUT GND CTL WAS AGITATED THAT WE DIDN'T DO WHAT HE SAID. HE WAS ABRUPT WITH US AND OUR GND CREW. IT WAS AS IF THERE WAS A PWR STRUGGLE GOING ON, AND I WAS IN THE MIDDLE. IN ANY EVENT, I ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN, THINKING ALL WAS CLR BUT THERE WAS A TXWY INCURSION. THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR ARPT MANUALS ABOUT TXWY ALPHA, BUT WE ARE TO CONTACT GND CTL FOR PUSHBACK, WHICH WE DID. EVEN EARLIER THAT MORNING, WE DID THE SAME THING AND GND CTL SAID NOTHING OF TXWY ALPHA. THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE INCIDENTS WHERE GND CTL GAVE A SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION BASED ON AN ACFT NEARBY AND THEN I IGNORED IT BECAUSE THE ACFT WAS GONE, AND OUR PUSHBACK CREW DID NOT ADHERE TO OUR INSTRUCTION EITHER. I COULD HAVE SLAMMED THE BRAKES. I COULD HAVE QUERIED THE PUSHBACK CREW A 4TH TIME. WE WERE IN THE TXWY BEFORE I REALIZED IT. YET, NO ONE ELSE WAS AROUND. THIS IS A PROB BECAUSE GND CTL AND AIRLINE PUSH CREWS ARE IN CTL CONTEST OF A RAMP AREA AND TXWY THAT IS IN VERY CLOSE PROX TO EACH OTHER. THERE IS A RAMP LINE DESIGNATED, YET GND CTL WANTS PUSHBACK CLRNC REQUEST. I THINK THE WHOLE SCENARIO STINKS, YET WE ARE THE ONES WHO CAN GET VIOLATED. I HAVE NOTIFIED OUR COMPANY OF THIS SIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.