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Attributes | |
ACN | 514630 |
Time | |
Date | 200106 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 1330 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 514630 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued alert flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I am the first officer on the E120. The captain and I were beginning our second round trip out of dallas-fort worth. We had departed dfw, I was the PNF and talking on the radios while the captain was flying. We were cleared to 2000 ft via our SID, had talked to departure, where he cleared us to 4000 ft. Once at 4000 ft, ATC asked us if we wanted to stay at 4000 ft or expedite to 5000 ft. After conferring with the captain, I stated we would expedite to 5000 ft. After leveling out at 5000 ft, ATC questioned 'do you see the aircraft at your 3 O'clock position? Expedite through 6000 ft.' we began our climb and the captain keyed the radio and queried what altitude we were cleared. This is the first time we heard that ATC had wanted us to climb to 12000 ft. ATC seemed rushed and asked the captain what altitude he had cleared us to. The captain stated 4000 ft, and ATC replied that we were at 5000 ft. We left it at that and continued our climb to 12000 ft. There were many other aircraft that departure was working with that afternoon and he did not clarify his clearance to us. We were fortunate that the crew was on their first day, the captain was well rested and had good perception to question ATC when things did not seem correct.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DURING ENRTE DEP PHASE FROM DFW, E120 FLT CREW IS CHALLENGED BY D10 CTLR ABOUT ASSIGNED ALT. CLRNC NOT RESOLVED. ATC THOUGHT A HIGHER ALT WAS ISSUED, DIFFERING FROM THAT WHICH WAS ACKNOWLEDGED AND FLOWN BY FLT CREW.
Narrative: I AM THE FO ON THE E120. THE CAPT AND I WERE BEGINNING OUR SECOND ROUND TRIP OUT OF DALLAS-FORT WORTH. WE HAD DEPARTED DFW, I WAS THE PNF AND TALKING ON THE RADIOS WHILE THE CAPT WAS FLYING. WE WERE CLRED TO 2000 FT VIA OUR SID, HAD TALKED TO DEP, WHERE HE CLRED US TO 4000 FT. ONCE AT 4000 FT, ATC ASKED US IF WE WANTED TO STAY AT 4000 FT OR EXPEDITE TO 5000 FT. AFTER CONFERRING WITH THE CAPT, I STATED WE WOULD EXPEDITE TO 5000 FT. AFTER LEVELING OUT AT 5000 FT, ATC QUESTIONED 'DO YOU SEE THE ACFT AT YOUR 3 O'CLOCK POS? EXPEDITE THROUGH 6000 FT.' WE BEGAN OUR CLB AND THE CAPT KEYED THE RADIO AND QUERIED WHAT ALT WE WERE CLRED. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HEARD THAT ATC HAD WANTED US TO CLB TO 12000 FT. ATC SEEMED RUSHED AND ASKED THE CAPT WHAT ALT HE HAD CLRED US TO. THE CAPT STATED 4000 FT, AND ATC REPLIED THAT WE WERE AT 5000 FT. WE LEFT IT AT THAT AND CONTINUED OUR CLB TO 12000 FT. THERE WERE MANY OTHER ACFT THAT DEP WAS WORKING WITH THAT AFTERNOON AND HE DID NOT CLARIFY HIS CLRNC TO US. WE WERE FORTUNATE THAT THE CREW WAS ON THEIR FIRST DAY, THE CAPT WAS WELL RESTED AND HAD GOOD PERCEPTION TO QUESTION ATC WHEN THINGS DID NOT SEEM CORRECT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.