MD88 and an airbus assigned to the same runway hold short point by 2 different controllers. The repo...

Attributes
ACN	515209
Time
Date	200106
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lga.airport
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-88
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : lga.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Airbus Industrie Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 162 flight time total : 13257 flight time type : 3470
ASRS Report	515209
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe incursion : taxiway non adherence other non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Intra Facility Coordination Failure other

Narrative:

Flight had been held on taxiway cc lga with engines shut down for a ground stop to atl due to ZDC. When released, ground instructed us to taxi to runway 13. We were next for takeoff, changed to tower frequency. An air carrier airbus (aircraft Y) was approaching the same spot (intersection of txwys cc and G) from the opposite direction along taxiway G from runway 4/22. Seeing him coming, I stopped on taxiway cc before encroaching on taxiway G. The air carrier then stopped on taxiway G before blocking the intersection of taxiway G and cc. While stopped, we had switched to tower frequency and continued completing checklists. Since the air carrier had stopped and we had been cleared to taxi to the runway as next for takeoff, I continued to taxi, encroaching on taxiway G. At this time tower instructed us to hold position. Apparently, tower had cleared the air carrier airbus to the runway. Tower then asked air carrier if he could get past us. He could, but uncomfortably close. The air carrier and a small commuter aircraft (aircraft Z) behind him were taxied to runway for takeoff. After that, we were again cleared to taxi, this time by tower, to runway 13 and given takeoff clearance. Apparently both the air carrier and I had been cleared to taxi to runway 13, but by different controllers -- him by the tower, and us by ground. I believe both pilots acted correctly. Even though I had clearance, when I saw another aircraft approaching, I stopped. He did the same thing. Since he had stopped, and I had clearance, I continued to taxi encroaching on the taxiway. I did not rechk the clearance. There was no reason to. There was no question about the clearance and the other aircraft had given way. It seems that error was with the controllers. Apparently, ground cleared us to taxi to the hold short point of runway 13 and tower had cleared the air carrier to the same point. I do not know if the confusion came from the 2 controllers not coordinating or from one controller giving a clearance over an area that was not in his control.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MD88 AND AN AIRBUS ASSIGNED TO THE SAME RWY HOLD SHORT POINT BY 2 DIFFERENT CTLRS. THE RPTR IN THE MD88 ASSIGNED BY GND AND THE AIRBUS BY LCL. THE RPTR BROKE THE STALEMATE BY TAXIING ON BY THE AIRBUS SINCE HE HAD BEEN CLRED TO THE RWY FOR TKOF.

Narrative: FLT HAD BEEN HELD ON TXWY CC LGA WITH ENGS SHUT DOWN FOR A GND STOP TO ATL DUE TO ZDC. WHEN RELEASED, GND INSTRUCTED US TO TAXI TO RWY 13. WE WERE NEXT FOR TKOF, CHANGED TO TWR FREQ. AN ACR AIRBUS (ACFT Y) WAS APCHING THE SAME SPOT (INTXN OF TXWYS CC AND G) FROM THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION ALONG TXWY G FROM RWY 4/22. SEEING HIM COMING, I STOPPED ON TXWY CC BEFORE ENCROACHING ON TXWY G. THE ACR THEN STOPPED ON TXWY G BEFORE BLOCKING THE INTXN OF TXWY G AND CC. WHILE STOPPED, WE HAD SWITCHED TO TWR FREQ AND CONTINUED COMPLETING CHKLISTS. SINCE THE ACR HAD STOPPED AND WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO TAXI TO THE RWY AS NEXT FOR TKOF, I CONTINUED TO TAXI, ENCROACHING ON TXWY G. AT THIS TIME TWR INSTRUCTED US TO HOLD POS. APPARENTLY, TWR HAD CLRED THE ACR AIRBUS TO THE RWY. TWR THEN ASKED ACR IF HE COULD GET PAST US. HE COULD, BUT UNCOMFORTABLY CLOSE. THE ACR AND A SMALL COMMUTER ACFT (ACFT Z) BEHIND HIM WERE TAXIED TO RWY FOR TKOF. AFTER THAT, WE WERE AGAIN CLRED TO TAXI, THIS TIME BY TWR, TO RWY 13 AND GIVEN TKOF CLRNC. APPARENTLY BOTH THE ACR AND I HAD BEEN CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 13, BUT BY DIFFERENT CTLRS -- HIM BY THE TWR, AND US BY GND. I BELIEVE BOTH PLTS ACTED CORRECTLY. EVEN THOUGH I HAD CLRNC, WHEN I SAW ANOTHER ACFT APCHING, I STOPPED. HE DID THE SAME THING. SINCE HE HAD STOPPED, AND I HAD CLRNC, I CONTINUED TO TAXI ENCROACHING ON THE TXWY. I DID NOT RECHK THE CLRNC. THERE WAS NO REASON TO. THERE WAS NO QUESTION ABOUT THE CLRNC AND THE OTHER ACFT HAD GIVEN WAY. IT SEEMS THAT ERROR WAS WITH THE CTLRS. APPARENTLY, GND CLRED US TO TAXI TO THE HOLD SHORT POINT OF RWY 13 AND TWR HAD CLRED THE ACR TO THE SAME POINT. I DO NOT KNOW IF THE CONFUSION CAME FROM THE 2 CTLRS NOT COORDINATING OR FROM ONE CTLR GIVING A CLRNC OVER AN AREA THAT WAS NOT IN HIS CTL.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

MD88 and an airbus assigned to the same runway hold short point by 2 different controllers. The reporter in the MD88 assigned by ground and the airbus by local. The reporter broke the stalemate by taxiing on by the airbus since he had been cleared to the runway for takeoff.