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Attributes | |
ACN | 517681 |
Time | |
Date | 200107 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 100 agl bound upper : 900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : msp.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : msp.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 19800 flight time type : 3600 |
ASRS Report | 517681 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : executed go around |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : msp.tower |
Narrative:
Landing runway 30L msp, after received clearance to land on 3 mi final, tower cleared DC9 into position and hold, waiting previous landing aircraft to clear runway 2 mi final. He was cleared for takeoff and passing 200 ft he was still on the roll and tower advised us, if we had to go around plan 220 degree heading and stand by. At 100 ft, DC9 still on the roll, we were initiating our own go around, tower said to go around and left to 220 degrees into position and hold and advised him that if it didn't work out regarding previous landing aircraft, that he would have him clear the runway, as we had already been around once. 2 mi final previous landing aircraft still on the runway, tower had him clear and we landed. Day before, landing runway 30L msp, had clearance to land, same deal, 3 mi final tower cleared DC10 position and hold, 2 mi final cleared him to takeoff. We felt spacing was a bit tight, although we did not have to go around, we did land, but after parking we asked ground to relay to tower that we felt spacing was a tad too tight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A320 PIC RPT ON TFC SPACING PROBS ON FINAL APCH AT MSP, MN.
Narrative: LNDG RWY 30L MSP, AFTER RECEIVED CLRNC TO LAND ON 3 MI FINAL, TWR CLRED DC9 INTO POS AND HOLD, WAITING PREVIOUS LNDG ACFT TO CLR RWY 2 MI FINAL. HE WAS CLRED FOR TKOF AND PASSING 200 FT HE WAS STILL ON THE ROLL AND TWR ADVISED US, IF WE HAD TO GO AROUND PLAN 220 DEG HDG AND STAND BY. AT 100 FT, DC9 STILL ON THE ROLL, WE WERE INITIATING OUR OWN GAR, TWR SAID TO GO AROUND AND L TO 220 DEGS INTO POS AND HOLD AND ADVISED HIM THAT IF IT DIDN'T WORK OUT REGARDING PREVIOUS LNDG ACFT, THAT HE WOULD HAVE HIM CLR THE RWY, AS WE HAD ALREADY BEEN AROUND ONCE. 2 MI FINAL PREVIOUS LNDG ACFT STILL ON THE RWY, TWR HAD HIM CLR AND WE LANDED. DAY BEFORE, LNDG RWY 30L MSP, HAD CLRNC TO LAND, SAME DEAL, 3 MI FINAL TWR CLRED DC10 POS AND HOLD, 2 MI FINAL CLRED HIM TO TKOF. WE FELT SPACING WAS A BIT TIGHT, ALTHOUGH WE DID NOT HAVE TO GO AROUND, WE DID LAND, BUT AFTER PARKING WE ASKED GND TO RELAY TO TWR THAT WE FELT SPACING WAS A TAD TOO TIGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.