A PA28 CFI pilot receiving instruction from another CFI landed short, hitting the approach lights at...

Attributes
ACN	517872
Time
Date	200107
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : mlb.airport
State Reference	FL
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	landing : roll
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 242 flight time type : 178
ASRS Report	517872
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Events
Anomaly	excursion : runway ground encounters other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : insufficient time
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Weather Environmental Factor
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

During a short field landing practice, the CFI student (pilot receiving training) reduced the throttle to idle and the descent rate suddenly increased. The airplane touched down before the threshold hitting the threshold lights with the landing gear. The airplane suffered no damage, and no damage to the light system was reported by the airport at the time. Contributing factors: 1) a headwind of approximately 15 KTS, a 40 degree flap setting and 60 KIAS contributed to increase the descent rate. 2) a temporary displaced threshold without the correct markings due to construction work at the end of the runway contributed to miscalculate the point at which the throttle is supposed to be reduced to idle. 3) emotional factors due to constant arguments between the CFI student (pilot receiving training) and the cfii (PIC and instructor giving training) and negative motivation instead of an adequate critique, contributed to a lack of corrective action by the CFI student once the unsafe condition was established and idented. 4) the cfii (PIC) did not take the controls to correct the unsafe condition established by the CFI (student).

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A PA28 CFI PLT RECEIVING INSTRUCTION FROM ANOTHER CFI LANDED SHORT, HITTING THE APCH LIGHTS AT MLB.

Narrative: DURING A SHORT FIELD LNDG PRACTICE, THE CFI STUDENT (PLT RECEIVING TRAINING) REDUCED THE THROTTLE TO IDLE AND THE DSCNT RATE SUDDENLY INCREASED. THE AIRPLANE TOUCHED DOWN BEFORE THE THRESHOLD HITTING THE THRESHOLD LIGHTS WITH THE LNDG GEAR. THE AIRPLANE SUFFERED NO DAMAGE, AND NO DAMAGE TO THE LIGHT SYS WAS RPTED BY THE ARPT AT THE TIME. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) A HEADWIND OF APPROX 15 KTS, A 40 DEG FLAP SETTING AND 60 KIAS CONTRIBUTED TO INCREASE THE DSCNT RATE. 2) A TEMPORARY DISPLACED THRESHOLD WITHOUT THE CORRECT MARKINGS DUE TO CONSTRUCTION WORK AT THE END OF THE RWY CONTRIBUTED TO MISCALCULATE THE POINT AT WHICH THE THROTTLE IS SUPPOSED TO BE REDUCED TO IDLE. 3) EMOTIONAL FACTORS DUE TO CONSTANT ARGUMENTS BTWN THE CFI STUDENT (PLT RECEIVING TRAINING) AND THE CFII (PIC AND INSTRUCTOR GIVING TRAINING) AND NEGATIVE MOTIVATION INSTEAD OF AN ADEQUATE CRITIQUE, CONTRIBUTED TO A LACK OF CORRECTIVE ACTION BY THE CFI STUDENT ONCE THE UNSAFE CONDITION WAS ESTABLISHED AND IDENTED. 4) THE CFII (PIC) DID NOT TAKE THE CTLS TO CORRECT THE UNSAFE CONDITION ESTABLISHED BY THE CFI (STUDENT).

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

A PA28 CFI pilot receiving instruction from another CFI landed short, hitting the approach lights at mlb.