A carj crew taxied past the hold short line during taxi for takeoff at cyyz.

Attributes
ACN	520622
Time
Date	200108
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
State Reference	WA
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Dusk
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : cyyz.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : cyyz.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	A320
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : visual approach : straight in
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 2350 flight time type : 50
ASRS Report	520622
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory none taken : anomaly accepted
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Upon taxiing for takeoff from taxiway ag to runway 23 on toronto pearson international airport, we were advised by ground control to monitor the tower frequency. Because of a short taxi, my attention was placed inside the cockpit since I was performing the before takeoff checklist. The tower controller came on the radio and told us to 'stop' which we did. Then, he said that we had crossed the hold short line for the protected area for runway 23, which was a few ft behind our main wheels. Then, he asked an A320 if they could land and aircraft Y replied 'no problem.' the aircraft Y airplane landed uneventfully and we took the runway for takeoff. We were at the end of a 4 day trip, on the last leg. We had been on duty since XA10 that morning. In my opinion, just indicating the position of the hold short line on the airport diagram would warn crews taxiing for runway 23 that this hold line is in a nonstandard position and far from the end of the runway, which is the assumption that is always made when taxiing to the end of a runway.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A CARJ CREW TAXIED PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE DURING TAXI FOR TKOF AT CYYZ.

Narrative: UPON TAXIING FOR TKOF FROM TXWY AG TO RWY 23 ON TORONTO PEARSON INTL ARPT, WE WERE ADVISED BY GND CTL TO MONITOR THE TWR FREQ. BECAUSE OF A SHORT TAXI, MY ATTN WAS PLACED INSIDE THE COCKPIT SINCE I WAS PERFORMING THE BEFORE TKOF CHKLIST. THE TWR CTLR CAME ON THE RADIO AND TOLD US TO 'STOP' WHICH WE DID. THEN, HE SAID THAT WE HAD CROSSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR THE PROTECTED AREA FOR RWY 23, WHICH WAS A FEW FT BEHIND OUR MAIN WHEELS. THEN, HE ASKED AN A320 IF THEY COULD LAND AND ACFT Y REPLIED 'NO PROB.' THE ACFT Y AIRPLANE LANDED UNEVENTFULLY AND WE TOOK THE RWY FOR TKOF. WE WERE AT THE END OF A 4 DAY TRIP, ON THE LAST LEG. WE HAD BEEN ON DUTY SINCE XA10 THAT MORNING. IN MY OPINION, JUST INDICATING THE POS OF THE HOLD SHORT LINE ON THE ARPT DIAGRAM WOULD WARN CREWS TAXIING FOR RWY 23 THAT THIS HOLD LINE IS IN A NONSTANDARD POS AND FAR FROM THE END OF THE RWY, WHICH IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT IS ALWAYS MADE WHEN TAXIING TO THE END OF A RWY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.