MD80 crew had lax ground controller want them to continue moving on the airport without clearance co...

Attributes
ACN	521809
Time
Date	200108
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : i90.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	ground : taxi ground : holding
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	521809
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance FAA
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : lax.tower

Narrative:

We landed runway 25L at lax and eventually crossed runway 25R with about 5 other aircraft. Ground was very far behind in issuing taxi instructions so I completely cleared my aircraft of runway 25R and stopped on taxiway B. 20 or so seconds later, we had an angry controller scolding us for stopping. We advised him we were parking on the north side and that we never received a clearance to taxi. I offered to call him. He replied not to talk or reply again -- we were clogging his frequency. We had 1 more unfriendly exchange by this controller because we had to stop to allow a cargo loader to clear taxiway C. I spoke with the tower supervisor a few mins later after gate arrival. I explained and asked what I had done wrong. She said I stopped. The gist of her conversation to me was never to stop even if you do not have a clearance. I said we are told to clear the runway and then stop and get taxi clearance. She replied, 'you asked, I am telling you.' nothing was resolved. This attitude and desire to go against the FARS/aim is wrong, and could be disastrous. An easy solution could have been, as at other airports, to have us cross and join a taxiway and then contact ground. But that did not happen.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MD80 CREW HAD LAX GND CTLR WANT THEM TO CONTINUE MOVING ON THE ARPT WITHOUT CLRNC CONTRARY TO FAR.

Narrative: WE LANDED RWY 25L AT LAX AND EVENTUALLY CROSSED RWY 25R WITH ABOUT 5 OTHER ACFT. GND WAS VERY FAR BEHIND IN ISSUING TAXI INSTRUCTIONS SO I COMPLETELY CLRED MY ACFT OF RWY 25R AND STOPPED ON TXWY B. 20 OR SO SECONDS LATER, WE HAD AN ANGRY CTLR SCOLDING US FOR STOPPING. WE ADVISED HIM WE WERE PARKING ON THE N SIDE AND THAT WE NEVER RECEIVED A CLRNC TO TAXI. I OFFERED TO CALL HIM. HE REPLIED NOT TO TALK OR REPLY AGAIN -- WE WERE CLOGGING HIS FREQ. WE HAD 1 MORE UNFRIENDLY EXCHANGE BY THIS CTLR BECAUSE WE HAD TO STOP TO ALLOW A CARGO LOADER TO CLR TXWY C. I SPOKE WITH THE TWR SUPVR A FEW MINS LATER AFTER GATE ARR. I EXPLAINED AND ASKED WHAT I HAD DONE WRONG. SHE SAID I STOPPED. THE GIST OF HER CONVERSATION TO ME WAS NEVER TO STOP EVEN IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A CLRNC. I SAID WE ARE TOLD TO CLR THE RWY AND THEN STOP AND GET TAXI CLRNC. SHE REPLIED, 'YOU ASKED, I AM TELLING YOU.' NOTHING WAS RESOLVED. THIS ATTITUDE AND DESIRE TO GO AGAINST THE FARS/AIM IS WRONG, AND COULD BE DISASTROUS. AN EASY SOLUTION COULD HAVE BEEN, AS AT OTHER ARPTS, TO HAVE US CROSS AND JOIN A TXWY AND THEN CONTACT GND. BUT THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

MD80 crew had lax ground controller want them to continue moving on the airport without clearance contrary to far.