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Attributes | |
ACN | 523910 |
Time | |
Date | 200109 |
Day | Tue |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 523910 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : zzz.tower |
Narrative:
One area of communication that has not received a great deal of publicized emphasis with regards to runway incursions is that of received by the flight crew's from the tower on landing roll. On landing roll, the aircraft is being brought to a stop by the flight crew, callouts are being made, thrust reversers, brakes and spoilers are being used, and it is very noisy and busy. The last thing that needs to be added to all that confusion is a call from the tower directing us where to clear, what frequency to use for ground, and what, if any, runway we are to hold short of or taxi across. As a personal rule, I ignore all xmissions from the tower until we are a safe taxi speed, then I ask for the communication to be repeated. Generally, this is not a problem, but some controllers become obviously agitated at having to repeat themselves. All clrncs from ATC to which I respond are, in effect, regulatory in nature. During landing roll, I am not in a position to adequately determine what was said, or whether we are even able to comply. It is simply too busy a time to be communicating on the radio. I believe this period of time needs to be quiet over the radio, unless there is an 'urgent' need for the tower to talk to us. I have spoken to tower controllers regarding this issue, and, surprisingly, most are completely unaware of this problem. On that same note, most are quite understanding when it is brought to their attention.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FO EXPRESSES CONCERN WITH ATC COM CLRNC DURING ROLLOUT.
Narrative: ONE AREA OF COM THAT HAS NOT RECEIVED A GREAT DEAL OF PUBLICIZED EMPHASIS WITH REGARDS TO RWY INCURSIONS IS THAT OF RECEIVED BY THE FLC'S FROM THE TWR ON LNDG ROLL. ON LNDG ROLL, THE ACFT IS BEING BROUGHT TO A STOP BY THE FLC, CALLOUTS ARE BEING MADE, THRUST REVERSERS, BRAKES AND SPOILERS ARE BEING USED, AND IT IS VERY NOISY AND BUSY. THE LAST THING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO ALL THAT CONFUSION IS A CALL FROM THE TWR DIRECTING US WHERE TO CLR, WHAT FREQ TO USE FOR GND, AND WHAT, IF ANY, RWY WE ARE TO HOLD SHORT OF OR TAXI ACROSS. AS A PERSONAL RULE, I IGNORE ALL XMISSIONS FROM THE TWR UNTIL WE ARE A SAFE TAXI SPD, THEN I ASK FOR THE COM TO BE REPEATED. GENERALLY, THIS IS NOT A PROB, BUT SOME CTLRS BECOME OBVIOUSLY AGITATED AT HAVING TO REPEAT THEMSELVES. ALL CLRNCS FROM ATC TO WHICH I RESPOND ARE, IN EFFECT, REGULATORY IN NATURE. DURING LNDG ROLL, I AM NOT IN A POS TO ADEQUATELY DETERMINE WHAT WAS SAID, OR WHETHER WE ARE EVEN ABLE TO COMPLY. IT IS SIMPLY TOO BUSY A TIME TO BE COMMUNICATING ON THE RADIO. I BELIEVE THIS PERIOD OF TIME NEEDS TO BE QUIET OVER THE RADIO, UNLESS THERE IS AN 'URGENT' NEED FOR THE TWR TO TALK TO US. I HAVE SPOKEN TO TWR CTLRS REGARDING THIS ISSUE, AND, SURPRISINGLY, MOST ARE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THIS PROB. ON THAT SAME NOTE, MOST ARE QUITE UNDERSTANDING WHEN IT IS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.