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Attributes | |
ACN | 524010 |
Time | |
Date | 200109 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : eld.vortac |
State Reference | AR |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 29000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 4522 flight time type : 2100 |
ASRS Report | 524010 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Company Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Company |
Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
We fly the canadair CL65 regional jet with 50 passenger seats and 3a1 series engines (there is a more pwrful 'B' series engine now available). It's a great airplane in all respects except for an anemic climb rate above about FL180. If you're heavy and 'isa' is above standard, the rate of climb and airspeed decrease markedly in the FL20's. Sometimes 500 FPM above FL270 is a stretch, especially if you're rushed the initial climb and the airspeed is at or below 250 KIAS/0.70 mach. We are forbidden from climbing slower than these speeds. We had departed houston to the northeast and, due to some WX/bumpy-looking clouds, the captain told me to climb steeply (250 KIAS) into the lower flight levels. We were flight planned at FL290 and reached it at 500 FPM. The captain then decided to climb to FL330. We consulted the charts (performance) and, given our weight/temperature, should have been able to make FL330. But our plane just couldn't maintain 500 FPM despite the captain setting maximum climb thrust 'plus.' he then set vertical speed mode on the autoplt to 300 FPM to address our slow speed in the climb. I asked if we should notify ATC of our inability to maintain 500 FPM climb. He at first refused, but eventually relented. ATC approved 'slow climb.' but the next controller was unhappy with that and we had to use our remaining energy to climb the last few hundred ft at a great rate. Had we confessed our anemic climb rate earlier, when I suggested, things may have gone more smoothly.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL65 CREW HAD LOW CLB RATE DUE TO ACFT GROSS WT, TEMP ABOVE STANDARD, AND ACFT SPD LOWER THAN ACCEPTABLE MACH.
Narrative: WE FLY THE CANADAIR CL65 REGIONAL JET WITH 50 PAX SEATS AND 3A1 SERIES ENGS (THERE IS A MORE PWRFUL 'B' SERIES ENG NOW AVAILABLE). IT'S A GREAT AIRPLANE IN ALL RESPECTS EXCEPT FOR AN ANEMIC CLB RATE ABOVE ABOUT FL180. IF YOU'RE HVY AND 'ISA' IS ABOVE STANDARD, THE RATE OF CLB AND AIRSPD DECREASE MARKEDLY IN THE FL20'S. SOMETIMES 500 FPM ABOVE FL270 IS A STRETCH, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE RUSHED THE INITIAL CLB AND THE AIRSPD IS AT OR BELOW 250 KIAS/0.70 MACH. WE ARE FORBIDDEN FROM CLBING SLOWER THAN THESE SPDS. WE HAD DEPARTED HOUSTON TO THE NE AND, DUE TO SOME WX/BUMPY-LOOKING CLOUDS, THE CAPT TOLD ME TO CLB STEEPLY (250 KIAS) INTO THE LOWER FLT LEVELS. WE WERE FLT PLANNED AT FL290 AND REACHED IT AT 500 FPM. THE CAPT THEN DECIDED TO CLB TO FL330. WE CONSULTED THE CHARTS (PERFORMANCE) AND, GIVEN OUR WT/TEMP, SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE FL330. BUT OUR PLANE JUST COULDN'T MAINTAIN 500 FPM DESPITE THE CAPT SETTING MAX CLB THRUST 'PLUS.' HE THEN SET VERT SPD MODE ON THE AUTOPLT TO 300 FPM TO ADDRESS OUR SLOW SPD IN THE CLB. I ASKED IF WE SHOULD NOTIFY ATC OF OUR INABILITY TO MAINTAIN 500 FPM CLB. HE AT FIRST REFUSED, BUT EVENTUALLY RELENTED. ATC APPROVED 'SLOW CLB.' BUT THE NEXT CTLR WAS UNHAPPY WITH THAT AND WE HAD TO USE OUR REMAINING ENERGY TO CLB THE LAST FEW HUNDRED FT AT A GREAT RATE. HAD WE CONFESSED OUR ANEMIC CLB RATE EARLIER, WHEN I SUGGESTED, THINGS MAY HAVE GONE MORE SMOOTHLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.