A C172 private instrument rated pilot wonders if he ahd his CFI wre legal to depart on a VFR flight within the enhanced class B at msp to pick up their IFR airborne from sgs, mn.

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Attributes
ACN	525953
Time
Date	200109
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sasa.airport
State Reference	MN
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : m98.tracon
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground : takeoff roll
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : private pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 15 flight time total : 170 flight time type : 165
ASRS Report	525953
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : entry non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance FAA Chart Or Publication
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Filed IFR flight plan for local instrument approaches with a flight instructor. Deported sgs airport (within 'enhanced' class B airspace, under a class B shelf) VFR, then received the IFR clearance once airborne. Once back on the ground I began to wonder if the NOTAMS allowed me to depart in the enhanced B airspace VFR with a flight instructor, then receive the IFR clearance airborne. I believe the NOTAMS were unclear on what was and wasn't allowed at that time. Suggest NOTAMS be written more clearly. Happened during restr flight times following terrorist attacks.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A C172 PVT INSTRUMENT RATED PLT WONDERS IF HE AHD HIS CFI WRE LEGAL TO DEPART ON A VFR FLT WITHIN THE ENHANCED CLASS B AT MSP TO PICK UP THEIR IFR AIRBORNE FROM SGS, MN.

Narrative: FILED IFR FLT PLAN FOR LOCAL INSTRUMENT APPROACHES WITH A FLT INSTRUCTOR. DEPORTED SGS ARPT (WITHIN 'ENHANCED' CLASS B AIRSPACE, UNDER A CLASS B SHELF) VFR, THEN RECEIVED THE IFR CLRNC ONCE AIRBORNE. ONCE BACK ON THE GND I BEGAN TO WONDER IF THE NOTAMS ALLOWED ME TO DEPART IN THE ENHANCED B AIRSPACE VFR WITH A FLT INSTRUCTOR, THEN RECEIVE THE IFR CLRNC AIRBORNE. I BELIEVE THE NOTAMS WERE UNCLEAR ON WHAT WAS AND WASN'T ALLOWED AT THAT TIME. SUGGEST NOTAMS BE WRITTEN MORE CLEARLY. HAPPENED DURING RESTR FLT TIMES FOLLOWING TERRORIST ATTACKS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.