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Attributes | |
ACN | 526680 |
Time | |
Date | 200110 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sct.tracon |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 23000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Falcon 50 |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : van nuys |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3300 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 526680 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Received ATC clearance through pre departure clearance. The clearance included 'maintain 250 KTS until advised.' with the company policy of airspeed bug settings there was not a way to set a bug to remind us of this speed. When we, as a crew, reviewed the clearance, we looked only at the first page displayed on the FMS. There was nothing on the departure procedure about maintaining 250 KTS. The first couple of departure controllers said nothing to us about a speed to maintain. When we were talking to the third controller after departure, he asked about our speed which was much faster than 250 KTS. It was clearly our fault for not complying with the speed on departure. I read the clearance completely when I first got it, yet there was no way to set a speed for departure. Thinking back, I could have entered it in the FMS like we do regularly for arrs. As a crew, we should have reviewed the entire clearance not just the routing and altitude. On departure, the tower verified the heading we needed to turn to twice, which was printed on the departure chart. Yet, no mention of speed was made until passing FL230. It may be a good idea to put the 250 KT speed on the departure chart if it is SOP at burbank.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GIVEN A SPD RESTR IN THEIR ORIGINAL CLRNC, BUT HAVING NO WAY TO SET A REMINDER, IT IS OVERLOOKED UNTIL THE THIRD CTLR HANDLING THE FLT REQUESTED SPD WHICH AT THE TIME WAS MUCH HIGHER THAN CLRED.
Narrative: RECEIVED ATC CLRNC THROUGH PDC. THE CLRNC INCLUDED 'MAINTAIN 250 KTS UNTIL ADVISED.' WITH THE COMPANY POLICY OF AIRSPD BUG SETTINGS THERE WAS NOT A WAY TO SET A BUG TO REMIND US OF THIS SPD. WHEN WE, AS A CREW, REVIEWED THE CLRNC, WE LOOKED ONLY AT THE FIRST PAGE DISPLAYED ON THE FMS. THERE WAS NOTHING ON THE DEP PROC ABOUT MAINTAINING 250 KTS. THE FIRST COUPLE OF DEP CTLRS SAID NOTHING TO US ABOUT A SPD TO MAINTAIN. WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THE THIRD CTLR AFTER DEP, HE ASKED ABOUT OUR SPD WHICH WAS MUCH FASTER THAN 250 KTS. IT WAS CLRLY OUR FAULT FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH THE SPD ON DEP. I READ THE CLRNC COMPLETELY WHEN I FIRST GOT IT, YET THERE WAS NO WAY TO SET A SPD FOR DEP. THINKING BACK, I COULD HAVE ENTERED IT IN THE FMS LIKE WE DO REGULARLY FOR ARRS. AS A CREW, WE SHOULD HAVE REVIEWED THE ENTIRE CLRNC NOT JUST THE ROUTING AND ALT. ON DEP, THE TWR VERIFIED THE HEADING WE NEEDED TO TURN TO TWICE, WHICH WAS PRINTED ON THE DEP CHART. YET, NO MENTION OF SPD WAS MADE UNTIL PASSING FL230. IT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA TO PUT THE 250 KT SPD ON THE DEP CHART IF IT IS SOP AT BURBANK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.