A B757 first officer complains of the procedure used when there is an amended route for clrncs issued via the pre departure clearance procedure, missing the fact that misen intersection was on the clarr arrival rather than the filed creso arrival near las vegas, nv.

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Attributes
ACN	528256
Time
Date	200110
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : hec.vortac
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 28000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zla.artcc artcc : zab.artcc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	cruise : level
Route In Use	arrival star : clarr
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 300
ASRS Report	528256
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	flight crew : returned to original clearance other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication Company
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Situations
Publication	PDC

Narrative:

Problem arose when we (the flight crew) did not catch a route change on our pre departure clearance. We filed the creso.3 and were cleared by pre departure clearance on the clarr.one arrival into las vegas. The center controller cleared us to the misen intersection on clarr arrival. We didn't see the misen intersection because we were prepared to fly the CRESO3. After questioning the controller the problem was idented and the flight progressed without a problem. Fortunately the error was discovered at a point before the 2 different arrs diverged. It would be helpful (if the pre departure clearance has a route change from what was filed), to be highlighted somehow. A note to flight crew, or asterisks or something to draw more attention to the change.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A B757 FO COMPLAINS OF THE PROC USED WHEN THERE IS AN AMENDED RTE FOR CLRNCS ISSUED VIA THE PDC PROC, MISSING THE FACT THAT MISEN INTXN WAS ON THE CLARR ARR RATHER THAN THE FILED CRESO ARR NEAR LAS VEGAS, NV.

Narrative: PROB AROSE WHEN WE (THE FLC) DID NOT CATCH A RTE CHANGE ON OUR PDC. WE FILED THE CRESO.3 AND WERE CLRED BY PDC ON THE CLARR.ONE ARR INTO LAS VEGAS. THE CTR CTLR CLRED US TO THE MISEN INTXN ON CLARR ARR. WE DIDN'T SEE THE MISEN INTXN BECAUSE WE WERE PREPARED TO FLY THE CRESO3. AFTER QUESTIONING THE CTLR THE PROB WAS IDENTED AND THE FLT PROGRESSED WITHOUT A PROB. FORTUNATELY THE ERROR WAS DISCOVERED AT A POINT BEFORE THE 2 DIFFERENT ARRS DIVERGED. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL (IF THE PDC HAS A RTE CHANGE FROM WHAT WAS FILED), TO BE HIGHLIGHTED SOMEHOW. A NOTE TO FLC, OR ASTERISKS OR SOMETHING TO DRAW MORE ATTN TO THE CHANGE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.