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Attributes | |
ACN | 530437 |
Time | |
Date | 200111 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mem.airport |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2800 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | other |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mem.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 4300 flight time type : 120 |
ASRS Report | 530437 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 171 flight time total : 12735 flight time type : 4600 |
ASRS Report | 529345 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Weather Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Inbound from southeast of airport, being vectored to final, we could tell approach controller was being overwhelmed from the tone of voice and his rapid instructions. The supervisor (we guess) was coming on and giving instructions too. Initially we were 3000 ft heading west (landing north, runways 36L/right and runway 27). Center had us maximum speed inbound and when turned over to approach were slowed to 210 KIAS then 190 KIAS. About 3 mi from final we were told to slow to 160 KTS and given a northwest heading to intercept localizer for runway 36R. About 30 seconds later, I'm not sure but might have been supervisor, told us to turn back west for vectors to runway 36L. We did and I was worried that even at 15 degree flaps, at 160 KTS the autoplt would not make the turn to final, so I disengaged the autoplt. We were getting set for runway 36L, I was busy trying to maintain 160 KTS, I then noticed I was sinking below 3000 ft (approximately 100 ft low) so added power and pitched up. The captain said watch hard altitude. We were then about 200 ft low, I pitched up more, and did not add power. We were above 160 KTS, I remember seeing 12 degree pitch up several times but the aircraft continued to sink to maybe 250-300 ft low (2700-2850 ft). The captain then took control of the aircraft and brought us up to 3000 ft. The controller then turned us to a north northwest heading to intercept the runway 36L localizer. We overshot final, because of the sluggish airplane or late turn, the controller gave us. Heading 010 degrees to recapture localizer, we intercepted localizer, were given approach clearance and when everything was settled down the captain gave me back the aircraft and we landed safely. Looking back, I was too concerned about flying 160 KTS and the overwhelmed controller vectoring us into other aircraft, I should have not let altitude drop from xchk. Supplemental information from acn 529345: first officer disconnected the autoplt just as we were intercepting the runway 36R localizer. Because the autoplt was not turning quickly enough and the first officer did not want to overshoot the localizer. Approach control gave us a turn to 250 degrees and apologized and said we could expect runway 36L. After we turned I could see traffic passing under us to runway 36R. A short while later the first officer stated that we should be at 3000 ft, we were at 2800 ft and descending. At 2700 ft I took the aircraft and returned to 3000 ft. During this time approach gave us clearance for the runway 36L ILS. The rest of the approach and landing was normal. Contributing factors: marginal WX. ATC was behind and we were getting multiple heading and speed changes. Inability of the autoplt to respond fast enough. We were distracted from flying by looking outside for conflicting traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EXCURSION FROM ALT DURING A NIGHT APCH IN WX AT A MAJOR ARPT.
Narrative: INBOUND FROM SE OF ARPT, BEING VECTORED TO FINAL, WE COULD TELL APCH CTLR WAS BEING OVERWHELMED FROM THE TONE OF VOICE AND HIS RAPID INSTRUCTIONS. THE SUPVR (WE GUESS) WAS COMING ON AND GIVING INSTRUCTIONS TOO. INITIALLY WE WERE 3000 FT HEADING W (LNDG N, RWYS 36L/R AND RWY 27). CTR HAD US MAX SPD INBOUND AND WHEN TURNED OVER TO APCH WERE SLOWED TO 210 KIAS THEN 190 KIAS. ABOUT 3 MI FROM FINAL WE WERE TOLD TO SLOW TO 160 KTS AND GIVEN A NW HEADING TO INTERCEPT LOC FOR RWY 36R. ABOUT 30 SECONDS LATER, I'M NOT SURE BUT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SUPVR, TOLD US TO TURN BACK W FOR VECTORS TO RWY 36L. WE DID AND I WAS WORRIED THAT EVEN AT 15 DEG FLAPS, AT 160 KTS THE AUTOPLT WOULD NOT MAKE THE TURN TO FINAL, SO I DISENGAGED THE AUTOPLT. WE WERE GETTING SET FOR RWY 36L, I WAS BUSY TRYING TO MAINTAIN 160 KTS, I THEN NOTICED I WAS SINKING BELOW 3000 FT (APPROX 100 FT LOW) SO ADDED PWR AND PITCHED UP. THE CAPT SAID WATCH HARD ALT. WE WERE THEN ABOUT 200 FT LOW, I PITCHED UP MORE, AND DID NOT ADD PWR. WE WERE ABOVE 160 KTS, I REMEMBER SEEING 12 DEG PITCH UP SEVERAL TIMES BUT THE ACFT CONTINUED TO SINK TO MAYBE 250-300 FT LOW (2700-2850 FT). THE CAPT THEN TOOK CTL OF THE ACFT AND BROUGHT US UP TO 3000 FT. THE CTLR THEN TURNED US TO A N NW HEADING TO INTERCEPT THE RWY 36L LOC. WE OVERSHOT FINAL, BECAUSE OF THE SLUGGISH AIRPLANE OR LATE TURN, THE CTLR GAVE US. HEADING 010 DEGS TO RECAPTURE LOC, WE INTERCEPTED LOC, WERE GIVEN APCH CLRNC AND WHEN EVERYTHING WAS SETTLED DOWN THE CAPT GAVE ME BACK THE ACFT AND WE LANDED SAFELY. LOOKING BACK, I WAS TOO CONCERNED ABOUT FLYING 160 KTS AND THE OVERWHELMED CTLR VECTORING US INTO OTHER ACFT, I SHOULD HAVE NOT LET ALT DROP FROM XCHK. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 529345: FO DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT JUST AS WE WERE INTERCEPTING THE RWY 36R LOC. BECAUSE THE AUTOPLT WAS NOT TURNING QUICKLY ENOUGH AND THE FO DID NOT WANT TO OVERSHOOT THE LOC. APCH CTL GAVE US A TURN TO 250 DEGS AND APOLOGIZED AND SAID WE COULD EXPECT RWY 36L. AFTER WE TURNED I COULD SEE TFC PASSING UNDER US TO RWY 36R. A SHORT WHILE LATER THE FO STATED THAT WE SHOULD BE AT 3000 FT, WE WERE AT 2800 FT AND DSNDING. AT 2700 FT I TOOK THE ACFT AND RETURNED TO 3000 FT. DURING THIS TIME APCH GAVE US CLRNC FOR THE RWY 36L ILS. THE REST OF THE APCH AND LNDG WAS NORMAL. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: MARGINAL WX. ATC WAS BEHIND AND WE WERE GETTING MULTIPLE HEADING AND SPD CHANGES. INABILITY OF THE AUTOPLT TO RESPOND FAST ENOUGH. WE WERE DISTRACTED FROM FLYING BY LOOKING OUTSIDE FOR CONFLICTING TFC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.