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Attributes | |
ACN | 531643 |
Time | |
Date | 200112 |
Day | Sun |
Place | |
State Reference | KS |
Altitude | msl single value : 39000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence other |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute airway : j60.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 531643 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : turbulence inflight encounter other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3 |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
I was the captain on air carrier X, flight XXXX, from detroit, mi, to las vegas, nv. We were in the area of goodland (gld) at 39000 ft at about XA00Z working with ATC. We were given a route change to proceed to mile high (dvv). J60. Bryce canyon, las vegas. The new route would be putting us in the southern section of a reported turbulence plot area for mountain wave action from FL340 to FL430. I asked the controller if there had been any ride complaints across this route. He said there had only been reports of light chop. The route change had been made at the request of los angeles center because of traffic congestion. We were well below the tropopause (which was at FL520) and I figured if it did get rough, I could descend below FL340. My dispatcher was not as content with the new route based on the air carrier turbulence plot. Since he was not happy, and by definition we jointly share the responsibility of the flight, I requested my original filed route back. I was told by ATC that if I did that, they would have to hold me for 15 mins in my present position. I said that I would have to accept the hold if that is what they had to do. Ultimately, we were turned north and then continued a right turn to gld and then given remainder of original route which took us out of the turbulence plot area. We had a smooth flight. I feel that I could have prevented this situation if I would have simply called my dispatcher prior to accepting the route change and keeping him in the loop. In years past, we always had the dispatchers available to us if we needed them. I believe that I am ultimately the bottom line when decisions are made concerning the safe operation of my flts. These decisions are made after collecting information from as many sources as possible. In this case I didn't use all avail sources.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757-200 CREW WAS GIVEN AN ATC RERTE THROUGH AN AREA THAT HAD FORECAST TURB.
Narrative: I WAS THE CAPT ON ACR X, FLT XXXX, FROM DETROIT, MI, TO LAS VEGAS, NV. WE WERE IN THE AREA OF GOODLAND (GLD) AT 39000 FT AT ABOUT XA00Z WORKING WITH ATC. WE WERE GIVEN A RTE CHANGE TO PROCEED TO MILE HIGH (DVV). J60. BRYCE CANYON, LAS VEGAS. THE NEW RTE WOULD BE PUTTING US IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION OF A RPTED TURBULENCE PLOT AREA FOR MOUNTAIN WAVE ACTION FROM FL340 TO FL430. I ASKED THE CTLR IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY RIDE COMPLAINTS ACROSS THIS RTE. HE SAID THERE HAD ONLY BEEN RPTS OF LIGHT CHOP. THE RTE CHANGE HAD BEEN MADE AT THE REQUEST OF LOS ANGELES CENTER BECAUSE OF TFC CONGESTION. WE WERE WELL BELOW THE TROPOPAUSE (WHICH WAS AT FL520) AND I FIGURED IF IT DID GET ROUGH, I COULD DSND BELOW FL340. MY DISPATCHER WAS NOT AS CONTENT WITH THE NEW RTE BASED ON THE ACR TURBULENCE PLOT. SINCE HE WAS NOT HAPPY, AND BY DEFINITION WE JOINTLY SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE FLT, I REQUESTED MY ORIGINAL FILED RTE BACK. I WAS TOLD BY ATC THAT IF I DID THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HOLD ME FOR 15 MINS IN MY PRESENT POS. I SAID THAT I WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT THE HOLD IF THAT IS WHAT THEY HAD TO DO. ULTIMATELY, WE WERE TURNED NORTH AND THEN CONTINUED A RIGHT TURN TO GLD AND THEN GIVEN REMAINDER OF ORIGINAL RTE WHICH TOOK US OUT OF THE TURB PLOT AREA. WE HAD A SMOOTH FLT. I FEEL THAT I COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS SIT IF I WOULD HAVE SIMPLY CALLED MY DISPATCHER PRIOR TO ACCEPTING THE RTE CHANGE AND KEEPING HIM IN THE LOOP. IN YEARS PAST, WE ALWAYS HAD THE DISPATCHERS AVAILABLE TO US IF WE NEEDED THEM. I BELIEVE THAT I AM ULTIMATELY THE BOTTOM LINE WHEN DECISIONS ARE MADE CONCERNING THE SAFE OPERATION OF MY FLTS. THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE AFTER COLLECTING INFO FROM AS MANY SOURCES AS POSSIBLE. IN THIS CASE I DIDN'T USE ALL AVAIL SOURCES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.