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Attributes | |
ACN | 532120 |
Time | |
Date | 200111 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : grb.airport |
State Reference | WI |
Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Weather Elements | Snow Ice |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp.artcc tower : crq.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : ns |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 1600 flight time type : 60 |
ASRS Report | 532120 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : stick shaker (stall warn) other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : executed go around |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Late descent from ZMP. 15 NM from IAF (2700 ft) at 12000 ft. Performed checklists, slowed down, descent all went fine, but rushed. Discussed the fact we had time to get down/slow down. Captain said 'I have the spoilers' and fully deployed them. Gear down before flaps to help slow. Flaps from 8 degrees to 20 degrees as soon as speed permitted. Increased thrust from idle to 30-40% to shorten airspeed trend vector. Flaps 30 degrees to 45 degrees just prior to intercepting GS. Pitched down on glide still slightly fast, slowing rapidly. Momentary shaker (less than 1 second). Increased thrust and called for missed approach procedure. Right after the shaker, the captain realized he left the spoilers out and immediately retracted them. I already had the thrust up and as soon as the upper and lower barber poles went away (1-2 seconds later) pitched up and shot the missed. Numerous caution/status messages: 1) left angle of attack heater element failed about 15 mins prior. MEL states that stall indications are not reliable. 2) gear disagreement warning (also nose door caution) because the flaps were not selected out of zero so the standby pumps were not on. 3) spoiler deployed caution from status to caution, continuous ignition status message just prior/at shaker. 4) information overloaded captain who had the spoilers. 5) allowing captain to control my flight controls, splitting PF duties. Retracted spoilers. Did not try to recapture glide -- went missed. Human factors: I had about 60 hours in airplane. We were right about being able to descend and slow in time, prior to FAF, but then got gear disagreement. Discussed it while putting flaps 8 degrees/20 degrees. Rushed approach. Early in the morning -- fatigue. We were within duty/flight limits, but both our bodies were used to a normal sleep schedule. Consistency in scheduling is needed. Training needs to change. Once spoilers are extended, do not take your hand off. Command what you need done by PNF. Above 76% power lever angle, spoilers should automatic-retract.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CARJ CREW, DSNDING INTO GRB, LEFT THE SPOILERS EXTENDED AND LET THE SPD DECAY, A RESULTANT STICK SHAKER (STALL WARNING).
Narrative: LATE DSCNT FROM ZMP. 15 NM FROM IAF (2700 FT) AT 12000 FT. PERFORMED CHKLISTS, SLOWED DOWN, DSCNT ALL WENT FINE, BUT RUSHED. DISCUSSED THE FACT WE HAD TIME TO GET DOWN/SLOW DOWN. CAPT SAID 'I HAVE THE SPOILERS' AND FULLY DEPLOYED THEM. GEAR DOWN BEFORE FLAPS TO HELP SLOW. FLAPS FROM 8 DEGS TO 20 DEGS AS SOON AS SPD PERMITTED. INCREASED THRUST FROM IDLE TO 30-40% TO SHORTEN AIRSPD TREND VECTOR. FLAPS 30 DEGS TO 45 DEGS JUST PRIOR TO INTERCEPTING GS. PITCHED DOWN ON GLIDE STILL SLIGHTLY FAST, SLOWING RAPIDLY. MOMENTARY SHAKER (LESS THAN 1 SECOND). INCREASED THRUST AND CALLED FOR MISSED APCH PROC. RIGHT AFTER THE SHAKER, THE CAPT REALIZED HE LEFT THE SPOILERS OUT AND IMMEDIATELY RETRACTED THEM. I ALREADY HAD THE THRUST UP AND AS SOON AS THE UPPER AND LOWER BARBER POLES WENT AWAY (1-2 SECONDS LATER) PITCHED UP AND SHOT THE MISSED. NUMEROUS CAUTION/STATUS MESSAGES: 1) L ANGLE OF ATTACK HEATER ELEMENT FAILED ABOUT 15 MINS PRIOR. MEL STATES THAT STALL INDICATIONS ARE NOT RELIABLE. 2) GEAR DISAGREEMENT WARNING (ALSO NOSE DOOR CAUTION) BECAUSE THE FLAPS WERE NOT SELECTED OUT OF ZERO SO THE STANDBY PUMPS WERE NOT ON. 3) SPOILER DEPLOYED CAUTION FROM STATUS TO CAUTION, CONTINUOUS IGNITION STATUS MESSAGE JUST PRIOR/AT SHAKER. 4) INFO OVERLOADED CAPT WHO HAD THE SPOILERS. 5) ALLOWING CAPT TO CTL MY FLT CTLS, SPLITTING PF DUTIES. RETRACTED SPOILERS. DID NOT TRY TO RECAPTURE GLIDE -- WENT MISSED. HUMAN FACTORS: I HAD ABOUT 60 HRS IN AIRPLANE. WE WERE RIGHT ABOUT BEING ABLE TO DSND AND SLOW IN TIME, PRIOR TO FAF, BUT THEN GOT GEAR DISAGREEMENT. DISCUSSED IT WHILE PUTTING FLAPS 8 DEGS/20 DEGS. RUSHED APCH. EARLY IN THE MORNING -- FATIGUE. WE WERE WITHIN DUTY/FLT LIMITS, BUT BOTH OUR BODIES WERE USED TO A NORMAL SLEEP SCHEDULE. CONSISTENCY IN SCHEDULING IS NEEDED. TRAINING NEEDS TO CHANGE. ONCE SPOILERS ARE EXTENDED, DO NOT TAKE YOUR HAND OFF. COMMAND WHAT YOU NEED DONE BY PNF. ABOVE 76% PWR LEVER ANGLE, SPOILERS SHOULD AUTO-RETRACT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.