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Attributes | |
ACN | 532231 |
Time | |
Date | 200112 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma.artcc tower : whp.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : nqx.tower |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 532231 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
From miami to key west leg, at 25 NM out, 8000 ft, still had not been handed off to key west navy approach. Contacted miami numerous times to advise but no response. Switched to key west approach who informed us that they were not in contact with center. TA received, made visual with C-9 at 1-2 O'clock position, same altitude. Key west informed us of traffic and gave descent clearance to 1500 ft. Began descent, RA went off commanding descent. C-9 advised of RA as well and leveled off. Approach informed C-9 we had visual and were descending. We should have been descended much earlier to avoid the conflict but miami did not hand us off and was not in communication with key west. We stayed at 8000 ft too long. Should be in better communication between center and approach in handoffs and ground controller just in general. No one was controling us for a while due to a failed handoff and zero communication between control facilities.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DH8 CREW, ARRIVING KEY WEST NAS, RESPONDED TO A TCASII DSCNT RA.
Narrative: FROM MIAMI TO KEY WEST LEG, AT 25 NM OUT, 8000 FT, STILL HAD NOT BEEN HANDED OFF TO KEY WEST NAVY APCH. CONTACTED MIAMI NUMEROUS TIMES TO ADVISE BUT NO RESPONSE. SWITCHED TO KEY WEST APCH WHO INFORMED US THAT THEY WERE NOT IN CONTACT WITH CTR. TA RECEIVED, MADE VISUAL WITH C-9 AT 1-2 O'CLOCK POS, SAME ALT. KEY WEST INFORMED US OF TFC AND GAVE DSCNT CLRNC TO 1500 FT. BEGAN DSCNT, RA WENT OFF COMMANDING DSCNT. C-9 ADVISED OF RA AS WELL AND LEVELED OFF. APCH INFORMED C-9 WE HAD VISUAL AND WERE DSNDING. WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DSNDED MUCH EARLIER TO AVOID THE CONFLICT BUT MIAMI DID NOT HAND US OFF AND WAS NOT IN COM WITH KEY WEST. WE STAYED AT 8000 FT TOO LONG. SHOULD BE IN BETTER COM BTWN CTR AND APCH IN HDOFS AND GND CTLR JUST IN GENERAL. NO ONE WAS CTLING US FOR A WHILE DUE TO A FAILED HDOF AND ZERO COM BTWN CTL FACILITIES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.