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Attributes | |
ACN | 532674 |
Time | |
Date | 200112 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 400 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 532674 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | unspecified : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
Problem arose while in descent into dfw. First officer was contacting company on separate radio, while we were in level flight at 11000 ft on approach into dfw from memphis. Approach controller called my flight and gave me a descent to 5000 ft. Before I could answer, he called again, somewhat agitated, as I had not answered quick enough. He gave me the descent and he gave a frequency change at the same time. I started down to 5000 ft and attempted contact on new frequency. Frequency was congested and I could not get through very soon. I received a TA which turned to an RA and I leveled off at present altitude. Warning stopped, then began again with 'climb.' I was at about 6500 ft and climbed to 7000 ft. Got through to controller and he said 'who are you, and where are you?' my first officer responded, 11000 ft for 5000 ft, 15 NM northeast of dfw. Controller responded 'maintain 7000 ft, you are descending through my departure corridor.' he then said the previous controller had descended us through his airspace and said 'oh my god.' vectored to airport for uneventful landing. Ground controller when questioned said she knew of no event or phone number for us to call. Controller in-flight who caught the error also assured us of no problem. I remember it this way. Possibilities for error are as follows: 1) controller gave us wrong clearance as airport had just changed to north flow from south. 2) I took the wrong call and it was not caught, and acted on it. It was my first trip to dfw ever -- and I was doing IOE (initial training experience) with a brand new first officer, who was very slow. I believe that the controller mistook me for another flight, and TCASII saved the day. I may be wrong but I don't think so.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CARJ CREW, DSNDING INTO DFW, RESPONDED TO A CLB RA FROM TCASII.
Narrative: PROB AROSE WHILE IN DSCNT INTO DFW. FO WAS CONTACTING COMPANY ON SEPARATE RADIO, WHILE WE WERE IN LEVEL FLT AT 11000 FT ON APCH INTO DFW FROM MEMPHIS. APCH CTLR CALLED MY FLT AND GAVE ME A DSCNT TO 5000 FT. BEFORE I COULD ANSWER, HE CALLED AGAIN, SOMEWHAT AGITATED, AS I HAD NOT ANSWERED QUICK ENOUGH. HE GAVE ME THE DSCNT AND HE GAVE A FREQ CHANGE AT THE SAME TIME. I STARTED DOWN TO 5000 FT AND ATTEMPTED CONTACT ON NEW FREQ. FREQ WAS CONGESTED AND I COULD NOT GET THROUGH VERY SOON. I RECEIVED A TA WHICH TURNED TO AN RA AND I LEVELED OFF AT PRESENT ALT. WARNING STOPPED, THEN BEGAN AGAIN WITH 'CLB.' I WAS AT ABOUT 6500 FT AND CLBED TO 7000 FT. GOT THROUGH TO CTLR AND HE SAID 'WHO ARE YOU, AND WHERE ARE YOU?' MY FO RESPONDED, 11000 FT FOR 5000 FT, 15 NM NE OF DFW. CTLR RESPONDED 'MAINTAIN 7000 FT, YOU ARE DSNDING THROUGH MY DEP CORRIDOR.' HE THEN SAID THE PREVIOUS CTLR HAD DSNDED US THROUGH HIS AIRSPACE AND SAID 'OH MY GOD.' VECTORED TO ARPT FOR UNEVENTFUL LNDG. GND CTLR WHEN QUESTIONED SAID SHE KNEW OF NO EVENT OR PHONE NUMBER FOR US TO CALL. CTLR INFLT WHO CAUGHT THE ERROR ALSO ASSURED US OF NO PROB. I REMEMBER IT THIS WAY. POSSIBILITIES FOR ERROR ARE AS FOLLOWS: 1) CTLR GAVE US WRONG CLRNC AS ARPT HAD JUST CHANGED TO N FLOW FROM S. 2) I TOOK THE WRONG CALL AND IT WAS NOT CAUGHT, AND ACTED ON IT. IT WAS MY FIRST TRIP TO DFW EVER -- AND I WAS DOING IOE (INITIAL TRAINING EXPERIENCE) WITH A BRAND NEW FO, WHO WAS VERY SLOW. I BELIEVE THAT THE CTLR MISTOOK ME FOR ANOTHER FLT, AND TCASII SAVED THE DAY. I MAY BE WRONG BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.