<< >> NASA ASRS Report 533085, December 2001

LJ25 flight crew deny ZNY descent clearance due to passenger, cargo, fuel load capabilities and distance from destination.

Attributes
ACN	533085
Time
Date	200112
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : huo.vor
State Reference	NY
Altitude	msl single value : 43000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zny.artcc
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	cruise : level
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000
ASRS Report	533085
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

After reaching cruise altitude of FL430, 250 mi from our destination, the controller wanted us to descend to FL280. I refused the clearance and asked for a supervisor. It took a long time for the controller to respond. The type of aircraft I was flying was an LJ25 and due to the passenger load, we could not take a full fuel. This aircraft burns a lot of fuel at low level. Below FL370, with our flight profile, we like to descend 100-120 mi from our destination. ATC does not like to comply with our request. I have spoken to the command center in washington, dc. The person did not understand why ATC could not comply with our request.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LJ25 FLC DENY ZNY DSCNT CLRNC DUE TO PAX, CARGO, FUEL LOAD CAPABILITIES AND DISTANCE FROM DEST.

Narrative: AFTER REACHING CRUISE ALT OF FL430, 250 MI FROM OUR DEST, THE CTLR WANTED US TO DSND TO FL280. I REFUSED THE CLRNC AND ASKED FOR A SUPVR. IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR THE CTLR TO RESPOND. THE TYPE OF ACFT I WAS FLYING WAS AN LJ25 AND DUE TO THE PAX LOAD, WE COULD NOT TAKE A FULL FUEL. THIS ACFT BURNS A LOT OF FUEL AT LOW LEVEL. BELOW FL370, WITH OUR FLT PROFILE, WE LIKE TO DSND 100-120 MI FROM OUR DEST. ATC DOES NOT LIKE TO COMPLY WITH OUR REQUEST. I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE COMMAND CTR IN WASHINGTON, DC. THE PERSON DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHY ATC COULD NOT COMPLY WITH OUR REQUEST.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.