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Attributes | |
ACN | 534770 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
Altitude | agl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 22r |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 534770 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met inflight encounter other non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : executed go around other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On downwind for an ILS runway 22R at ord, position abeam the field to the north at 4000 ft. No speed restr given. This is very unusual at ord. The unwritten rule here is you don't slow till they tell you to slow -- so we didn't. At a point approximately abeam ridge, approach said 'proceed direct ridge, maintain 3000 ft.' this is the point where the bells and whistles went off for me. We were about 7 mi from the FAF, 2000 ft high (ridge crossing altitude is 2138 ft), 250 KTS with a 30 KT tailwind. I knew it -- here comes the slam dunk. If approach control would have told us to 'expect' this, we could have slowed, got flaps and gear down, etc. Instead, we were fast and clean. We made every effort to slow down and go down while intercepting the final approach course, but when we approached 1000 ft AGL, it was obvious the approach would not be stabilized. We went around. Although ord approach should not have given us this type of approach (particularly with a ceiling), I should have not accepted it. Lesson learned.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A320 FO RPT ON A DESTABILIZED APCH THAT WAS EXPERIENCED ON AN ILS TO RWY 22R AT ORD, IL.
Narrative: ON DOWNWIND FOR AN ILS RWY 22R AT ORD, POS ABEAM THE FIELD TO THE N AT 4000 FT. NO SPD RESTR GIVEN. THIS IS VERY UNUSUAL AT ORD. THE UNWRITTEN RULE HERE IS YOU DON'T SLOW TILL THEY TELL YOU TO SLOW -- SO WE DIDN'T. AT A POINT APPROX ABEAM RIDGE, APCH SAID 'PROCEED DIRECT RIDGE, MAINTAIN 3000 FT.' THIS IS THE POINT WHERE THE BELLS AND WHISTLES WENT OFF FOR ME. WE WERE ABOUT 7 MI FROM THE FAF, 2000 FT HIGH (RIDGE XING ALT IS 2138 FT), 250 KTS WITH A 30 KT TAILWIND. I KNEW IT -- HERE COMES THE SLAM DUNK. IF APCH CTL WOULD HAVE TOLD US TO 'EXPECT' THIS, WE COULD HAVE SLOWED, GOT FLAPS AND GEAR DOWN, ETC. INSTEAD, WE WERE FAST AND CLEAN. WE MADE EVERY EFFORT TO SLOW DOWN AND GO DOWN WHILE INTERCEPTING THE FINAL APCH COURSE, BUT WHEN WE APCHED 1000 FT AGL, IT WAS OBVIOUS THE APCH WOULD NOT BE STABILIZED. WE WENT AROUND. ALTHOUGH ORD APCH SHOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN US THIS TYPE OF APCH (PARTICULARLY WITH A CEILING), I SHOULD HAVE NOT ACCEPTED IT. LESSON LEARNED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.