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Attributes | |
ACN | 535055 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : rbv.vortac |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : korry 1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 535055 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure Airport |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : lga.airport |
Chart | airport : lga.airport |
Publication | KORRY ONE ARRIVAL |
Narrative:
First officer (on initial first officer IOE) was flying the new korry one profile descent into lga. The published profile depicts holey 'at or above' 13000 ft. Then only 6 mi later, you are required to cross brand at 11000 ft. We were above 13000 ft at holey, and were unable to cross brand at 11000 ft. Our actual crossing altitude was 12000 ft. This is a very misleading approach, requiring a high rate of descent that was not anticipated by either myself or the first officer. I'll be aware of this next time around. A little more detailed study of this new arrival would also have helped us out. However, the fact remains that this is a poorly designed descent profile and needs further review.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MD80 CREW, DSNDING INTO LGA, WERE UNABLE TO MAKE PUBLISHED STAR XING RESTR.
Narrative: FO (ON INITIAL FO IOE) WAS FLYING THE NEW KORRY ONE PROFILE DSCNT INTO LGA. THE PUBLISHED PROFILE DEPICTS HOLEY 'AT OR ABOVE' 13000 FT. THEN ONLY 6 MI LATER, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO CROSS BRAND AT 11000 FT. WE WERE ABOVE 13000 FT AT HOLEY, AND WERE UNABLE TO CROSS BRAND AT 11000 FT. OUR ACTUAL XING ALT WAS 12000 FT. THIS IS A VERY MISLEADING APCH, REQUIRING A HIGH RATE OF DSCNT THAT WAS NOT ANTICIPATED BY EITHER MYSELF OR THE FO. I'LL BE AWARE OF THIS NEXT TIME AROUND. A LITTLE MORE DETAILED STUDY OF THIS NEW ARR WOULD ALSO HAVE HELPED US OUT. HOWEVER, THE FACT REMAINS THAT THIS IS A POORLY DESIGNED DSCNT PROFILE AND NEEDS FURTHER REVIEW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.