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Attributes | |
ACN | 544023 |
Time | |
Date | 200204 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : holey |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A321 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : korry 1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 544023 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | procedure or policy : lga.airport |
Chart | star : korry 1 |
Narrative:
Altitude bust at brand intersection on korry 1 arrival to nyc lga. It is virtually impossible to be at holey intersection at 13000 ft hard altitude and then get to hard altitude brand intersection 6 mi away and slow down at the same time to 11000 ft. Get rid of the 13000 ft and 11000 ft restrs. The A321 will not make the restrs unless intervention, autoplt off, and massive pushover. This arrival needs immediate revision.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A321 CREW, DSNDING INTO LGA, WERE UNABLE TO MAKE PUBLISHED STAR XING RESTR.
Narrative: ALT BUST AT BRAND INTXN ON KORRY 1 ARR TO NYC LGA. IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BE AT HOLEY INTXN AT 13000 FT HARD ALT AND THEN GET TO HARD ALT BRAND INTXN 6 MI AWAY AND SLOW DOWN AT THE SAME TIME TO 11000 FT. GET RID OF THE 13000 FT AND 11000 FT RESTRS. THE A321 WILL NOT MAKE THE RESTRS UNLESS INTERVENTION, AUTOPLT OFF, AND MASSIVE PUSHOVER. THIS ARR NEEDS IMMEDIATE REVISION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.