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Attributes | |
ACN | 535424 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl single value : 2400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cvg.tracon tower : cvg.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cvg.tracon tower : cvg.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4800 |
ASRS Report | 535424 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed go around |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Cleared visual approach, runway 18R, cvg. 170 KT to logoz intersection. Following MD88. With a 30 KT crosswind aloft, the MD88 went through the runway 18R final, s-turned to rejoin, and slowed well before logoz. We started to lose our separation and started to slow ourselves. About that time we were handed off to tower. Upon checking in, tower told us to slow (which we were already doing) and tower informed us that we were overtaking the traffic ahead. We then asked tower if they would like us to do something different. They said 'continue, and be prepared for the go around.' shortly thereafter, tower instructed us to go around, which we did, and landed uneventfully following the second approach. This event illustrates the inherent problems with night visual approachs, to follow traffic and maintain visual. Fortunately, we could use the TCASII to approximately the distance, especially from behind. Also, I'm not sure we had 3 mi separation. The MD88 was on base turn, approximately 3 mi ahead, and even if he had not overshot the turn, we probably would have had less than 3 NM. Last, ATC should have broken us out sooner. It was obvious that this wasn't going to work when we were still at 2000 ft and about 3 mi from landing. For reasons unknown to us, the controller wanted us to continue. This delay resulted in a go around with less separation and at a lower altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CL65 CREW, ON A VISUAL TO CVG, WERE UNABLE TO MAINTAIN SEPARATION ON TFC AHEAD. ATC ISSUED A GAR. AN UNEVENTFUL APCH AND LNDG FOLLOWED.
Narrative: CLRED VISUAL APCH, RWY 18R, CVG. 170 KT TO LOGOZ INTXN. FOLLOWING MD88. WITH A 30 KT XWIND ALOFT, THE MD88 WENT THROUGH THE RWY 18R FINAL, S-TURNED TO REJOIN, AND SLOWED WELL BEFORE LOGOZ. WE STARTED TO LOSE OUR SEPARATION AND STARTED TO SLOW OURSELVES. ABOUT THAT TIME WE WERE HANDED OFF TO TWR. UPON CHKING IN, TWR TOLD US TO SLOW (WHICH WE WERE ALREADY DOING) AND TWR INFORMED US THAT WE WERE OVERTAKING THE TFC AHEAD. WE THEN ASKED TWR IF THEY WOULD LIKE US TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THEY SAID 'CONTINUE, AND BE PREPARED FOR THE GAR.' SHORTLY THEREAFTER, TWR INSTRUCTED US TO GAR, WHICH WE DID, AND LANDED UNEVENTFULLY FOLLOWING THE SECOND APCH. THIS EVENT ILLUSTRATES THE INHERENT PROBS WITH NIGHT VISUAL APCHS, TO FOLLOW TFC AND MAINTAIN VISUAL. FORTUNATELY, WE COULD USE THE TCASII TO APPROX THE DISTANCE, ESPECIALLY FROM BEHIND. ALSO, I'M NOT SURE WE HAD 3 MI SEPARATION. THE MD88 WAS ON BASE TURN, APPROX 3 MI AHEAD, AND EVEN IF HE HAD NOT OVERSHOT THE TURN, WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD LESS THAN 3 NM. LAST, ATC SHOULD HAVE BROKEN US OUT SOONER. IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT THIS WASN'T GOING TO WORK WHEN WE WERE STILL AT 2000 FT AND ABOUT 3 MI FROM LNDG. FOR REASONS UNKNOWN TO US, THE CTLR WANTED US TO CONTINUE. THIS DELAY RESULTED IN A GAR WITH LESS SEPARATION AND AT A LOWER ALT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.