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Attributes | |
ACN | 536633 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : aoo.airport |
State Reference | AL |
Altitude | msl single value : 2600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl.artcc tower : mke.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Citation V |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3100 flight time type : 460 |
ASRS Report | 536633 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Upon returning to auburn, al, the WX was reported by AWOS as 400 ft overcast and 10 mi visibility, winds from the south at 8-10 KTS. The approachs at auburn are: localizer, VOR/DME-a, GPS, NDB. The localizer has been decommissioned but our FMS has the approach in the database. The captain elected to shoot the localizer runway 36, using the FMS database as primary means of navigation. I told him that we could not do it because the FMS (in that instance) can be used only as a back-up. He said it was legal to do the localizer approach since it was in the database and had a 'G' next to it, meaning GPS. I argued again but he decided to stick to that approach anyway. Inbound to the runway, the WX had improved and we ended up seeing the runway well before minimums. There needs to be more emphasis on the difference between a GPS overlay and a 'full blown' GPS approach such as a VOR or GPS approach. Callback conversation with a 'kauo' airport operations specialist revealed the following information: the localizer for runway 36 was shut down on dec/4/00 due to runway construction. The length of runway 18/36 was increased to 5265 ft. Unsure when the localizer will be back in service.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C560 CREW, ON APCH TO KAUO, FLEW A GPS ONLY APCH, LOC WAS OTS.
Narrative: UPON RETURNING TO AUBURN, AL, THE WX WAS RPTED BY AWOS AS 400 FT OVCST AND 10 MI VISIBILITY, WINDS FROM THE S AT 8-10 KTS. THE APCHS AT AUBURN ARE: LOC, VOR/DME-A, GPS, NDB. THE LOC HAS BEEN DECOMMISSIONED BUT OUR FMS HAS THE APCH IN THE DATABASE. THE CAPT ELECTED TO SHOOT THE LOC RWY 36, USING THE FMS DATABASE AS PRIMARY MEANS OF NAV. I TOLD HIM THAT WE COULD NOT DO IT BECAUSE THE FMS (IN THAT INSTANCE) CAN BE USED ONLY AS A BACK-UP. HE SAID IT WAS LEGAL TO DO THE LOC APCH SINCE IT WAS IN THE DATABASE AND HAD A 'G' NEXT TO IT, MEANING GPS. I ARGUED AGAIN BUT HE DECIDED TO STICK TO THAT APCH ANYWAY. INBOUND TO THE RWY, THE WX HAD IMPROVED AND WE ENDED UP SEEING THE RWY WELL BEFORE MINIMUMS. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE EMPHASIS ON THE DIFFERENCE BTWN A GPS OVERLAY AND A 'FULL BLOWN' GPS APCH SUCH AS A VOR OR GPS APCH. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH A 'KAUO' ARPT OPS SPECIALIST REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE LOC FOR RWY 36 WAS SHUT DOWN ON DEC/4/00 DUE TO RWY CONSTRUCTION. THE LENGTH OF RWY 18/36 WAS INCREASED TO 5265 FT. UNSURE WHEN THE LOC WILL BE BACK IN SVC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.